Posts by yaddayadda

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YORRW congregation - 'The Report'

by yaddayadda in

anyone read the report book on this website: .

http://www.livingwatersforum.com/bcommentary/index.php .

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yaddayadda

Wow, talk about ad hominem. So I guess the conclusion is 'it's crap'.

Was hoping to hear more about what The Report actually says though, aside from all the character assassinating.

Did it really say back in 1994 that there was something funny going on between the Society and the UN? Seems bizarre.

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Organization

by JWdaughter in

how many religions have a central, organized body?

i can think of 3 offhand-the wt society/jehovah's witnesses, the roman catholic church and latter-day saints/mormons.

any others that have a main hq that sends out doctrine?

yaddayadda

The better question is how many DON'T have a central, organised body, because nearly all of them do.

There is nothing wrong with having some kind of organising body. The problem is the extent to which the body has power and authority over the members.

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Can the JWs really be called Christians?

by greendawn in

given the jehovah centred approach of the jws and the marginalisation of christ at least as compared to mainstream christian religions, the extreme reliance on the old testament and particularly the refusal of nearly all jws to participate in the new covenent, should they be thought of as christians at all?

even though they like to call themselves at times: christian (?!

) jehovah's witnesses.

yaddayadda

JW's havn't 'rejected Christ and his work on the cross'. They profess full faith in Jesus and what he did. They only have a different version of it to most Christians.

"Using the name jehovah to begin with is strange since neither the apostles nor the Jews for a long time use it. Now talking about the Father and the old testament is natural and correct but it's the emphasis they got wrong."

It's ridiculous to say that using the name Jehovah (which is not what they would have used) is 'strange' considering that YHWH (Yahweh being the most probably pronunciation) is recorded 7,000 times in the OT. There is no proof that Jesus and the apostles didn't use God's OT name, at least occasionally, and possibly whenever they were quoting from the Hebrew Scriptures, despite the absence of the tetragrammaton in nearly all extant versions of the Septuagint. Over the past several decades many fragments of ancient Greek versions of the Hebrew Scriptures have been discovered wherein the divine name was found written, usually in Hebrew letters. This indicates that the divine name was used in some Greek versions until well into the ninth century C.E. Keep in mind also that the Septuagint is a translation into Greek of the Hebrew scriptures but it is widely believed that Jesus and the apostles spoke Aramaic, not Greek.

What do you mean 'the emphasis they got wrong'. Read the gospels again and ask yourself who Jesus put the emphasis on...himself or the Father?

JW's appear to have elevated the 'organisation' above Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean they are not Christians. The argument can just as easily be made that the essence of being a Christian is to imitate Jesus, and certainly most Christians today are failing to imitate Jesus by the way they more or less ignore the Father.

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Circuit Assembly 2006

by Zico in

i've got my circuit assembly coming next week... which i'll have to attend.

i know that these are generally held around march/april, so i'm sure some posters must have been to the 2006 one?

i remember reading a lot of reviews about the district convention, and it was great to know what would be discussed before i went!

yaddayadda

Why do u have to go? If you don't wanna, don't.

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THE BIG A: RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

by Mary in

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friends

where did all the witnesses over the decades get the idea that armageddon was right around the corner?

the society certainly never put anything like that down in print:

*** w56 10/15 p. 614 when will gods kingdom come?

yaddayadda

No no it's not 'around the corner'..that's just way too tacky. It's 'AT HAND'!!! Don't tell me you missed the DC u slacker.

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Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 in the NWT

by Zico in

5 for the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.

10 all that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in she ol, the place to which you are going.

as i'm sure you know, the society always use this scripture as proof that the bible teaches that those who die have no mind at all.

yaddayadda

"One should not build doctrine upon what is not said in the Bible. To do so is basing arguements on nothing but conjecture."

Exactly, which is why one can reject the trinity and immortal soul doctrines. They're just not there in the bible and are based on flimsy conjectured arguments.

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ANOTHER flip-flop!!

by hamsterbait in

v points out in another thread, that the revelation book has changed the teaching that the "rivers of life's waters" starts flowing after armagedy to 1914.

"... the river did not begin to proceed until after god had placed his annointed one on his throne in zion, in 1914, at the birth of the kingdom.it is more reasonable to conclude that this river of water began to flow after the lord came to his temple [in 1918] for then ... the flashes of lightning began to come to the people of god.

the book "from paradise lost to paradise regained 1958 says 1914:

yaddayadda

Just to clarify - is the new edition of the Revelation book saying the waters start flowing from 1914, not 1919. Did the 1986 version have 1919?

Geez, how can they sit through this tripe.

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BRAIN-DEAD QUOTES FROM OCT 1st WT

by Mary in

the writing department should really win an oscar for best screenplay in a comedy/drama series craptower, the article is entitled is the bible too restrictive?

in actuality, every witness knows that this is really asking "is the wts too restrictive?

on page 9 it says in part:

yaddayadda

" Traffic laws may entail a lengthy and detailed list of regulations--in some places the number of parking rules alone is staggering. In contrast, the Bible does not set out a long list of rules."

In the old testament Yahweh did provide a 'long list of rules', heaps of them, to the Israelites. Jesus' death ended all that nonsense. The JW organisation is still tightly bound up in lots of little rules and regulations and dos and dont's, because the Watchtower Society prefers to mould the entire organisation on the old testament rather than the new testament. After all, the organisation claims to be a modern day 'nation' of God's people ?

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Faithful and discreet slave

by artcritic in

dose anyone know what identifies a faithful and discreet slave.

what are the signs?.

ac

yaddayadda

"I've heard the local dubbys state several times the anointed do not want to live on earth but want only to be with the lord"

Heathen, in my nearly 40 years in the org I have NEVER heard a JW say that. How they describe it is that the anointed have a heavenly calling as opposed to the hope of living forever on earth.

And when was the last time any JW called Jesus 'the lord'?

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Faithful and discreet slave

by artcritic in

dose anyone know what identifies a faithful and discreet slave.

what are the signs?.

ac

yaddayadda

Hey, maybe it's a composite sign?