When you go back and read all the volumes of material on this site in the 'best of' section on the UN scandal, it becomes apparent that the main reasons for why the Society joined the UN are three-fold: 1 - to get access to otherwise expensive UN resources in countries like Africa, etc (planes, trucks, etc) to help the brothers in those countries. 2 - to try and take the pressure of governments trying to ban them or harshly tax them, such as in France, Eastern Europe, etc, as has been brought out on this thread. 3 - to have more access and greater credibility on certain UN forums/initiatives in the interests of religious freedom and tolerance, so as to try and help the brothers in lands where JW's are banned. The question arises: how could the leaders justify/rationalise this bizarre deliberate strategic ploy? The answer is that it seems that following Fred Franz's demise, an insider understanding developed amongst the GB or at least some prominent members of the GB, that the UN may well not be the 'scarlet-coloured wild beast' after all and that the Society's former harsh and condemnatory view of the UN should be minimised, with the UN now to be regarded as really nothing worse than any other government, in terms of bible prophecy. All governments collectively, UN included, are all the 'Wild Beast', seems to be the tacit view of the JW leadership now. This rationalisation hs come through in some of their letters on the subject. They have just never come out and announced it officially in the Watchtower as a new interpretation. I think those are the main motives behind the Society's great cock-up with the UN venture. Nothing to do with a library card - that is an outright lie by the Society. Overall I think their motives were rather honourable, but it doesn't change the fact that the hypocrisy and spiritual adultery/compromising to obtain these benefits is astonishing and undeniable.
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Why was the WTBT$ part of the UN?
by mama1119 indoes anyone know the reason/benefits that the wt had being a member of the un, besides library card??
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Confess and you won't be DF'd!!! Puke alert!!!!
by Gill inwell, in nearly forty years of being a dub, i've read some bs but some of it really takes the biscuit.. take for example the watchtower of november 15th 2006!.
always accept jehovah's dicipline.
para 3 .
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If you commit a 'gross' sin once but confess immediately and show real 'repentance' at the JC, you will get on private reproof. If you do the same thing twice and again confess immediately and grovel and act contritely at the JC you might get lucky and they will again just put you on private reproof, maybe public. But if you do the same sin a third time, no matter how much time has elapsed since the last time, woe betide you! No matter how 'repentant' you are, they will already have made up their mind to disfellowship you on the basis that you have shown a 'pattern' of behaviour which they will state gives the lie to your earlier claims of repentance. You are a threat to the congo and you've got to go. You could blub your eyes out and go into the foetal position on the floor during the JC, it won't matter. THREE STRIKES AND YER OUT SUNNY! It's all about discipline, nothing to do with repentance.
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Can you get d'fd if the elders never catch up with you
by yaddayadda incan the elders hold a jc and disfellowship someone in absentia, without even making contact with you beforehand?
can they just summons you to a jc by, say, leaving a note in your letterbox or a message on your answerphone, and if you don't turn up, diss you anyway?
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I thought so. Thanks for the responses.
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Why is the watchtower anonymously written
by headmath init seems that after rutherford's death that every wts publication was anonymous.
that was done to create a subconscious belief in the reader of divine authorship.
the watchtower is written by the fds and they are god's only channel of communication.
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Because we might find out that much of the 'spiritual food at the proper time' is written by members of the great crowd, also sisters. So much for being fed by the 'faithful and discreet slave'. It's also hypocritical to claim the anonymity prevents glory going on to some individual. As we all know, the GB laps up the glory, regularly publishing pictures of themselves standing at a podium in their corporate suites at assemblies, and the organisation itself it idolised and promoted even ahead of Christ. 'Truly they are having their reward in full'. Compare with the SDA's regular magazine "Record" - every article has the authors name and photo and a brief snapshot of who the author is.
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Can you get d'fd if the elders never catch up with you
by yaddayadda incan the elders hold a jc and disfellowship someone in absentia, without even making contact with you beforehand?
can they just summons you to a jc by, say, leaving a note in your letterbox or a message on your answerphone, and if you don't turn up, diss you anyway?
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Can the elders hold a JC and disfellowship someone in absentia, without even making contact with you beforehand? Can they just summons you to a JC by, say, leaving a note in your letterbox or a message on your answerphone, and if you don't turn up, diss you anyway?
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A JW's view of JW's who refuse to shun
by Honesty inyou are committing the same sin that king saul committed or that miriam and aaron committed.
you are acting presumptuously and going against jehovah's arrangement.. .
you can't have it both ways.
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No doubt the Pharisees would have told the good samaritan that he was acting against God's arrangement by helping that beaten up guy lying in the road.
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1914 ,the Generation that got tossed in the Garbage Can
by OUTLAW inas many of you know i`ve just got back to the board in the last little while..what did i learn yesterday?..the generation of 1914 means nothing..nothing!
!..back in the day,you could have been disfellowshipped for such a remark..disfellowshipped!
!..what did you think and how did you feel when you found out the generation of 1914,now means nothing?.....outlaw
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It's what got me first wondering that something might be screwy about the Society's chronology etc. I started to wonder, "wot else have they got wrong". It's what first made me think that they might be just 'winging it' after all.
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IT'S OFFICIAL! MEETINGS WILL LAST FOREVER!! Shoot me now!
by Gill inyes, it's official!
in the new system jehovah's witnesses will still have to attend the terrible meetings for all eternity!!!!!!.
the watchtower, november 1st, page 31, para 16:.
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'...sacred nature of our meetings...'!!! pass the bucket!!!!!!!! Geez they really are getting desperate to stop the droves who are leaving, ironically, because they are sick to death of all the meetings.
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Buddhism bigger than JWs in US - Why? Does It Appeal to YOU!
by Seeker4 inthere is an article on yahoo news today that says buddhists now-number over 1.5 million in the us, compared to about 1 million jws, and that they grew 170% in the 1990s.
here are a couple of points they make in the article:.
"what is drawing people (after that fascination with zen buddhism in the '50s and '60s)?
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I'm attracted to Buddhisms techniques for stilling the mind and living more in the moment. The precepts are also good and the people are always gentle and compassionate. But what puts me off getting into it is the immortal soul, reincarnation claptrap. Buddhists also tend to give 'worship' Buddha and idols. Those elements put it definitely in the religion category.
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Class-Questions for JW's
by Emma ina woman i work with is going to a class at her church on how to talk to jw's.
i told her one question to ask when they come knocking is if jesus is their mediator since most dubs don't know he isn't according to their own teachings.. any other simple questions one might ask?.
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Get them to read Matthew 24: 29-31 and ask them whether this has been fulfilled yet(they will say 'No, it is future') Then get them to read Matthew 25: 28-30 and ask them the same question (they will also say 'No, this is future'). Then ask them whether Satan is presently ruler of the world (they will have to say 'Yes' according to John 12:31 and 1 John 5:19) Then ask them who Jesus shares his world rulership with (they will say "only 144,000 persons taken from earth). Ask them if they can see any contradictions so far.... They may try and fall back on Rev 12 to try and prove there is a 'short period of time' (so far 92 years) between when Jesus becomes King and Armaggedon. If they do then pointedly ask them "please prove to me from the bible precisely what or whom Jesus been ruling over since 1914"? They will ummm and errrr and say they will call back another time to answer your questions.....which they never will.