Zeroday, clearly this thread is designed for persons who believe in God and have an interest in bible prophecy. It's not a thread about debating God's existence or the bible's inspiration. Why don't you try respecting that instead of hijacking this thread like some kind of annoying juvenile.
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Will Earth's Rulers Ever Serve Jehovah? (Rev. 21:24)
by bjc2read indoes bible prophecy show earth's rulers will serve jehovah?
(revelation 21:24).
have you ever wondered about the expression "kings of the earth" found in revelation 21:24?
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Happy are those who are shunned!
by Gill inhappy are the shunned, since they will have peace and quiet!!!
truer words were never spoken.. for all of you who understandably miss your family, just think of the troubles those of us have to endure when some of our jw family refuse to shun us and make it their lifes work to 'encourage' your return to the cult with threats of imminent death by their ever loving god!.
my mother!
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yaddayadda
Reading that was kinda sad. Your mum is being very harsh, but responding in kind isn't going to help Gill. If you want her to respect your position it might pay to respect hers. Calling her God a 'homicidal maniac' etc is just throwing fuel onto the fire. Do you both want to heal things between you or just hurl hurtful insults at each other?
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Another Tattoo Thread-To ink or not to ink - that was the question
by Crumpet into ink or not to ink that was the question!.
the build up.
i was really excited about it and got up early to salute to the sun, cat to the ceiling and baby to the carpet (yoga).
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Very nice, and discreet. A potent mix: the beauty, naturalness and simplicity of the poppy flower(but with its evil potential) combined with the deadly menace and intricacy of the spiders web.
Its very alluring and erotically irresistible: I feel like getting down on my knees and giving it a little kiss.
Lately I've had an insane idea to get a tattoo of the tetragrammaton across my heart? Warped huh. -
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Do the JW'S know what a cult really is?
by ButtLight ini didnt!
but again i was quite young.. i know this stuff has been posted in the past.....but for the heck of it, i wanted to see what others believe cults consist of.....so i googled this.
http://www.americanreligion.org/cultwtch/whatis.html.
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yaddayadda
I'm very surprised the list does not contain shunning of members who leave the cult.
The description that a Christian cult is one that 'departs from orthodox Christianity' is a bit silly. What, you're in a cult just because you don't believe in the trinity and an immortal soul?
Nonetheless, sadly there are many cultish elements in the JW's. The main ones are the complete lack of open enquiry and tolerance of dissenting views and the doomsday approach.
I don't think they are an out and out cult..they just use some serious fear/guilt/mind control methods, but you can say that about almost any religion if you try hard enough.
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When do the 'new heavens' at 2 Peter 3: 13 begin? Society twisting it
by yaddayadda inquote from a 1993 watchtower article: .
*** w93 1/1 9 rejoicing in our grand creator *** .
"2 we can rejoice, however, that our grand creator has the permanent solution.
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Agree 100% Pahpa. Thank you.
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Jesus death and resurrection
by Sasha intrying to get these dates straight.
ok. passover nissan 14, jesus had the passover supper and announced to his deciples he would be dying.
so, that was this past monday., the next day he was killed (correct?
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It's called 'Good Friday' for either of two reasons: it could be short for 'God's Friday', similar to how 'Good bye' means 'God be with ye', but more likely because Christians consider it 'good' in the sense that Jesus' redemptive work for the saving of the world was accomplished (by his death) on that day.
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When do the 'new heavens' at 2 Peter 3: 13 begin? Society twisting it
by yaddayadda inquote from a 1993 watchtower article: .
*** w93 1/1 9 rejoicing in our grand creator *** .
"2 we can rejoice, however, that our grand creator has the permanent solution.
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Quote from a 1993 Watchtower article:
*** w93 1/1 9 Rejoicing in Our Grand Creator ***
"2 We can rejoice, however, that our Grand Creator has the permanent solution. In Jesus’ prophecy “the conclusion of the system of things” is linked with his invisible “presence.” (Matthew 24:3, 37-39) To create the “new heavens,” Jehovah placed Jesus on his throne as Messianic King, the prophetic evidence showing that this historic event took place in the heavens in the year 1914. (2 Peter 3:13) As associate ruler with the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, Jesus is now commissioned to judge the nations and to separate the meek, sheeplike people of earth from obstinate goatlike ones. The ungodly “goats” are marked for “everlasting cutting-off” and “the sheep” for everlasting life in the earthly realm of the Kingdom.—Matthew 25:31-34, 46."
Notice the article says that Jesus was installed as king in 1914 'To create the "new heavens" '. Yet, reading the entire chapter of 2 Peter 3, it is clear that the 'new heavens and new earth' only come into being AFTER the old heavens dissolving at Jehovah's day! There is no hint of the 'new heavens' being created before 'Jehovah's day'. This is made clear in the following Watchtower quote:
*** w98 4/15 13 Faith and Your Future ***
"19 Jehovah’s Witnesses put their faith in the Kingdom of God. It is the “new heavens” that the apostle Peter wrote about: “There are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.” (2 Peter 3:13) The “new earth” is the new human society that will be governed by the new heavens, God’s Kingdom. This is the arrangement God revealed in a vision to the apostle John, who wrote: “I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away . . . And [God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”—Revelation 21:1, 4."
Notice that the apostle John said that 'the former heaven and the former earth had passed away' BEFORE he saw the 'new heaven and..new earth'!
The Watchtower often contradicts itself concerning these subtle date-oriented teachings. The following quote from 1999 says that both the 'new heavens' and 'new earth' are developments for the 'near FUTURE', contradicting the earlier quote.
*** w99 7/15 6 Why You Can Trust Bible Prophecy ***
"Additionally, important Bible prophecies await fulfillment in the near future. Describing what lies ahead, the apostle Peter wrote: “There are new heavens [the heavenly Messianic Kingdom] and a new earth [a righteous human society] that we are awaiting according to [God’s] promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.”—2 Peter 3:13."
Similarly, this Watchtower quote says that the 'new heaven and new earth' described in Revelation 21 (obviously referring to the same new heaven and new earth as 2 Peter 3:13) are FUTURE events:
*** w99 12/1 19 Be Happy Readers of the Book of Revelation ***
"16 Happy readers of the book of Revelation can only thrill with joy as they read the closing chapters that describe our glorious hope—a new heaven and a new earth, that is, a righteous heavenly Kingdom government ruling over a new, cleansed human society, all to the praise of “Jehovah God the Almighty.” (Revelation 21:22)"
Also, if the new heavens began in 1914, then to be consistent so must the 'new earth' have begun then. Yet how can that be if the Society now teaches that the sheep are not separated from the goats and the great crowd does not form until the great tribulation? Despite this, the Society implies that the 'new earth' is already operating in a structured, organised gathering of people (via the JW organisation), only not presently 'in its fullness':
*** w99 3/1 18 "The Temple" and "the Chieftain" Today ***
22 Finally, what does the city in the vision represent? It is no heavenly city, for it lies in the midst of “profane” (nonsacred) land. (Ezekiel 48:15-17) So it must be something earthly. Well, what is a city? Does it not convey the idea of people coming together as a group and forming something structured and organized? Yes. Hence, the city appears to picture the earthly administration that benefits all who will make up the righteous earthly society. It will operate in its fullness in the coming “new earth.” (2 Peter 3:13)
The Watchtower Society's claim that the 'new heavens' began in 1914 is a clear twisting of 2 Peter 3:13 and Revelation 21:1 and is just another example of the self-contradictory mishmash of error they have twisted to conform to their ridiculous 1914 creed. Clearly, the 'new heavens and...new earth' are both entirely FUTURE events. How ironic that just a few verses later (v. 16) the apostle Peter warned about those who would 'twist' the scriptures, to their own destruction. -
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Education gets yet another bashing!!
by Gill ineducation takes yet another battering in the may 1st watchtower.. the mag gives this example:.
young christians today face similar challeges.
matthew, who serves at a branch office of jehovah's witnesses recalls: 'when i began serving as a pioneer, my father was extremely disappointed.
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Think of all the potential converts at University! Young, idealistic, open minds. Why doesn't the Society encourage young JW's to go to University and set up a bible study group or something. There are heaps of Christian denoms that do this.
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"Watchtower" is a term from witchcraft NOT Scripture
by FuzzyPaul inhas anyone else ever noticed that there is no watchtower in scripture as part of any particular teaching but there is prominent use of watchtower in dungeons and dragons type games and forms of witchcraft including spells involving watchtower?
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/watchtower_%28magic%29.
and msn search for watchtower alone & with magic spell or occult or witchcraft.. ct russell was a 33rd degree freemason ( illuminati) nutcase who read books by guys that measured the lengths of the halls in pyramids to foretell the future by.
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So there is no 'direct' evidence that he was a Freemason yet he is buried under a giant pyramid on the grounds of the Pittsburg Masons. Go figure.
Always amuses me when posters who are so quick to ascribe just about every conceivable deliberate mind-control and lying tactic to the Society in the next breath mock those who say there is subliminal artwork in the publications. Although much of the alleged subliminal messages are indeed the result an 'overactive imagination', without a doubt there are some glaringly clear examples of 'subliminal' artwork. A few of them are so obvious they are hardly even 'subliminal'.
"CTR has absolutely nothing to do with JWs. He was not a JW. There is no line of descent from CTR to JFR. Rutherford stole CTR's organization. If CTR was involved in the occult it is meaningless for JWs."
WTF?? Russell started the Watchtower magazine and founded the Watchtower Society and the JW's teach the same core doctrines he originally taught, including the 1914 chronology, which many posters say is the JW's prime doctrine. CTR's background is hardly 'meaningless' for JW's. -
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Did you see anything Strange at the Memorial- if you went???
by Mad ini want to see if i imagined it!.
mad.
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yaddayadda
Don't you hate it when people start a thread like this and then bugger off to leave everyone in suspense....