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  Jehovah's Witnesses - A Hijacked Religion

  by B_Deserter in

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  the more and more i read about the history of the witnesses, the more i don't see them as one in the same as charles t. russell's religion.

  i think the religious movement from 1874 to 1916 was completely different than the one from 1918 to now.

  rutherford is the real founder of jehovah's witnesses.

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  Borgia

  Catbert,
  
  In 1918 Russel was dead meat.....
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  Jehovah's Witnesses - A Hijacked Religion

  by B_Deserter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the more and more i read about the history of the witnesses, the more i don't see them as one in the same as charles t. russell's religion.

  i think the religious movement from 1874 to 1916 was completely different than the one from 1918 to now.

  rutherford is the real founder of jehovah's witnesses.

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  Borgia

  Hijacked is quite a fitting description. I have called Rutherford's enterprise a coup d'etat. Either way, the basic is that the JW have lead people away from the doctrine that Russel had an argument about: the ransom. JW doctrine is withholding people from really using it (if you believe you need it, that is)
  
  He went about his business in quite a clever way, never a big change all at once, but over the course of time. For an example: elder positions. Given the nature of the position any opposition would be rooted out before it could spring up. The same goes for ownership of kingdom halls, etc.
  
  However, I wonder what would happen if opposition would spring up in a coordinated and massive way.....? can that be done?
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  Jan 1, 2015: Preparing for a "no-show scenario" - How would the WT do it?

  by truthseeker in

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  2014 is not too far away except in the minds of the gb elite.. how do you think they will explain away 1/10th of the millenial rule of jesus christ with no paradise?.

  do you think they are preparing for a no-show scenario?.

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  I believe it was 1979 the WT featured an article about 100 years of WT. I am inclined to say they will pass on 2014 in silence. I feel they will not dedicate a single jota to passing of 100 years since 1914. It will only increase awareness that something is not right. You know, with the generation back on par with the twenties....100 years of empty expectation........
  I my circle, I hear a lot of people wondering, not per se apostacysing...but then again.........
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  Is True Religion Possible?

  by R.Crusoe in

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  considering any religious presumption to be that we have fallen from perfection, is it realistic to expect an imperfect memeber of our speceis to fare any better than a perfect one who failed initially?.

  considering the often added feature of multiple deceptions and the rampant claim of an evil superpower who tricks what we see as truth in an angel of light format, can it seriously be expected that we have the mental wherewithall to accurately decipher truth from lies and also cope with all our biological urges often branded evil?.

  or is the truth that our biology is perfectly natural and our preoccupation with 'holy' in fact even dirties natural and beautiful gifts?

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  Religion 1 a: the state of a religious nun in her 20th year of religion b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices;archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness 4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith — re·li·gion·less adjective
  
  I suppose it depends greatly on definition. When it comes to institutionalized system I would say: no it would constitute a contradictio in terminis. When it comes to definition 4: A cause can be true. The same goes for a principle. I would say that in a relative way a such religion can be true.
  
  I came across this little gem: its incessant return to the same few themes, scenarios and questions; its meticulous examination and re-examination of banal minutiae for hidden meanings that simply aren't there; the cancerous way an idee fixe usurps other, more interesting thoughts -- is that it is confining, not rebellious, and not fascinating but maddeningly dull. This is about obsession. And I'm afraid that's what religion is really about.
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  Where do you draw the line???

  by cognac in

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  when you feel like what jws have done is wrong and you want to take a stand but on the other hand you also want your family to love you?.

  what, in the end, matters most?

  i go back and forth on this.

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  Hi Cognac,
  
  Making a stand can be done in many ways. Everyone of us has a different situation and has to consider how best to proceed. I would like to draw your attention to Martin Luther. He lived in in interesting time frame. And there are a few interesting circumstances which may be helpful in considering how best to proceed:
  
  During a vast period of time within the Roman Catholic tradition there have existed calls to return to the basics of the faith. Most of these calls were easily silenced by declaration of heresy, a bit like declaring apostasy within the JW. However, in the late middle ages a new movement had taken hold: Devotio Moderna of which Tomas a Kempis is a well known adherent and had been of great influence to Erasmus and the likes.
  
  The political map was quite intriguing. The Holy Roman Empire was a almagation of territories owned by counts, dukes, bishops, free imperial cities, principalities etc. The crown did not have very much to say. By converting to another tradition, a group of ruler was able to fend of the emperor, hence the Schmalkaldic League and it's predecessor the League of Torgau. The difference between the two was military capability. The latter was a force to be reckoned with.
  
  Luther's ideas were easily spread thanks to the new invention of printing press.
  
  Trade and easy access of money for bankers, traders and princes.
  
  Conflicts between the pope and the emperor created a vacuum of power and time to organise resistance to the catholic power house.
  
  There may be more details of interest, however, it shows that dissent will grow under the right circumstances, in this case corruption, decadency of the cloth, prize money, etc.
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  Possible threat to UK JW charitable status

  by dozy in

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  http://www.religiousintelligence.co.uk/news/?newsid=1725

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  interesting development against this background.
  
  BBC Radio 5 Live recording and transcript
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  new aid in keeping canvassers of your doorstep

  by Borgia in

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  here on jwd we have spent many words on jw doorpeddling.

  even the use of pepperspray has been put into play.

  however, there's a new toy out there that cannot be seen, smelled but felt!

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  I agree it would probably stir up something.....But when I saw the footage, especially the moment where the guy tried to hide behind a matras, I could not help thinking about it's impact on door peddlers. They believe in supernatural effects. Just imagine the looks on their faces.
  
  Mind you, my wife still does going from door to door. I would hate it if she was somehow injured. But I have to grin if she would come home one day and relate a story about how they are opposed in entering a suburb and all felt uneasiness. It must be the demons, for sure!
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  new aid in keeping canvassers of your doorstep

  by Borgia in

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  here on jwd we have spent many words on jw doorpeddling.

  even the use of pepperspray has been put into play.

  however, there's a new toy out there that cannot be seen, smelled but felt!

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  Borgia

  Here on JWD we have spent many words on JW doorpeddling. Even the use of pepperspray has been put into play.
  
  However, there's a new toy out there that cannot be seen, smelled but felt! yeah! Good for fending of....check this out:
  
  RAY- GUN
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  Awake April 2008

  by Samuel Thorsen in

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  there is a part from kerala india in in the april issue of awake.

  some history, daily life, culture bla bla blaand the dubs got 132 congos and everything is good.

  however they do not mention with a single word the perhaps very most interesting cultural aspect of kerala.

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  Borgia

  There's is list of gospel preaching somewhere here on jwd...from the 1st century till today. Interesting read. May tie in with this Kerala story.
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  My life - a brief history. Part 2

  by Galileo in

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  this is part 2 of my journey out.

  part 1can be found here.. .

  choosing madness.

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  keep on telling, Galleo!
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia