Posts by Borgia

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Can the misled lead and guide the misled effectivily?

by The Dragon in

i see this all the time!

people present their guesses into an unknown subject like god's mind and thoughts and plans as answers and truth.. but yet condemn others like the wt for doing it to them and label it "brainwashing" when they do it and it is brought out into the open for all to see.. problem is...when you present your guesses as answers..an answer is the end of a guess..and hinders others who trust you from searching further to find an answer..everyone loses that way and you actually "brainwash" others without really meaning to.

i propose an experiment..i have to work and take care of my short term needs right now..and cannot be on here 24/7 to catch these and expose them before they get out of hand...could i have some volenteers to help look for these guesses and remind others what they are...and we can see what the result is of looking out for one another like this.

Borgia

Dragon,

Offering an opinion is one thing. Following it is another. We all offer opinions here. Some with more eloquency and reason than others. Some are more rigidly brought before you than others.

Style is not an argument, only a probable proof of someones own confiction.

Everybody has to consider and outweigh one argument against the other.

There are no perfect men; Only perfect intentions..........and your own responsibility. And frankly, you may feel that to be a burden from time to time.

Here´s another oneliner: somebody who never made a mistake, probably never made a choice.

I made mistakes. I have to live with it. So what. I have learned to forgive my even gravest of mistakes. And everyday anew, I get the opportunity to work on that. But I´ll keep on making mistakes.

I was babtized when I was 16. They asked me if I repeanted.........my god, I did not even feel the thrust of it. Did not really know what it was. I was a real greenhorn to life. What did I know about wrong doing.

If it was asked of me now to answer that question I now can say, yes, some things I do repeant. Am I sorry to repeant? No! It all made me to what I am now. And in 20 years time more dimension will have been added to that. But I am not sorry for making mistakes. It´s my nature. You cannot escape it either. What are you going to do about it.....NOTHING....

Be cool

Cheers

Borgia

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The breath of life

by Ade in

the blood carries oxygen without oxygen we die, so which of these is really the life giver??

gen 2:7"and the lord god formed the man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" .

apparently its the breath of life specifically being mentioned here - not the blood of life.

Borgia

Are you hinting on a refusal to accept CPR?

cheers

Borgia

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Heb. 10:26 Question...

by Confucious in

hey guys.... ok... so my friend is saying that he wants to go back to the meetings because his conscience is killing him.. and he's quoting heb 10:26 that if you sin willfully.... any suggestions.. serious comments only please..

Borgia

Yeah right. look at 24 and 25 and the context. It is talking about jewish sacrifices being so important to some jeweish christians that they forsake the gathering of themselves...........what assembly could be so important that they risked out to be left without sacrifce?.....

......the WT study at sundays? ..........no!....
......surely it must be the bookstudy?...hardly!..
What is the most important meeting to a christian? ......the TBS and the service meeting then....Nope!....
.......................................................

right: the memorial......

Applying episunagogai to a REGULAR or just A religious meeting (sunagogai) to me is totally missing the point. Paul was talking about THE religious meeting, the most exalted gathering, whether or not that was held every week is not the subject here. And that meeting, according to the context had to do with sacrifice.....ergo: Memorial.

Your friend does not need to have any conscience problems here.

Cheers

Borgia

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Gay fatherhood ... it does work

by Peter123 in

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i thought this was interesting.

(if you press the little square in the right-hand corner -- it'll make the picture bigger.).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qf0puhj-km.

Borgia

It does prooooof nothing, except the fact that the dutch society is coming to terms with gay couples adopting childeren, although from fundamentalist religious sides there are people still havings issue with it and bearing ill will towards these couples c.q. childeren.

I especially liked the phrase: two real fathers who if they have to can be my mother.

Cheers

Borgia

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Rock The Vote: my secret is discovered

by under_believer in

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a while back, i registered to vote.

i even voted in our primary (nonpartisan issues only at this point--i'm still finding my "center.

at the time, my wife asked me if all this voting stuff we were getting all of a sudden was some new thing the state was doing--maybe you just get enrolled to vote when your drivers license renews, or something.

Borgia

UB,

I'm happy for you, dude. It brightens the horizon, does it not?

Give your misses a big hug and be proud of her.

Cheers

Borgia

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Just Gotta tell all my new friends...

by return visitor in

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i'm a grandpa!!!

!.

Borgia

Gordon you beat me to it .......Return visitor: Best wishes en enjoy!

Cheers

Borgia

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..If You ,don`t Know who You are..

by OUTLAW in

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if you,don`t know who you are..how can you,ever find yourself?...outlaw

Borgia

Why do you want to find it. There´s no need to go looking. It's right there and stares at you in the mirror.

No doubt you have some behavior that is influenced by others: parents, social environment, etc. But you know what you like? Do you like french fried? With mayonaise and curry and onions? How about other stuff to eat. Like a famous German once said: Der Mensch ist was er isst.

This will not immediately solve an identity crisis but gives you some concept of a start. If you want to live you need to eat....So, from there take it one step further: ask your self: what would I like to eat. How would I need to cook it? It gives you some concept about what you will become.And then take it from there.

Approached from a buddhist point of view I would be inclined to say that you are not far from enlightment, my friend. You only have to release yourself from that need for an ego.

cheers

Borgia

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THE UNSEEN MAGIC and THE MYSTERY of the MUNDANE

by Terry in

i've known two professional magicians in my lifetime.. one was a friend and the other was a very close friend.. both would discuss magic with me at different times.

each was devoted to protecting the secrecy necessary to maintain the brotherhood of illusion.. however, i am a curious person.

i am challenged by the unknown.

Borgia

chapeau...

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JW Reform, It will NEVER happen...

by AuldSoul in

i have read several posts by posters who fervently hope jws will become a mainstream religion, or will become "the truth," or will stop teaching this doctrine, or tweak that one, and "oh, if they would only [fill in the blank].".

such dreaming will, in the end, come to naught.

there are practical reasons why.. (1) the rank and file have no authority over the governing body.. (2) the rank and file do not hold sway over any of the corporate interests.. (3) the vast majority of memorial partakers are not credible in the eyes of the governing body, nor do they have any authority over anything.. (4) the organization shows a willingness to publicly claim beliefs to which jehovah's witnesses do not actually subscribe in order to improve public image (see lisa's interview with j.r. brown), while retaining the same hard-line beliefs in reality.. (5) the governing body is unwilling to relinquish control over the organization, to share authority with underlings (e.g.

Borgia

English having a name to uphold on the cooking thing (with a blink a refer to President Chirac remarks; no pun intended), have made several television series of high ranking chefs, like Gordon Ramsey, who visit degraded restearants, as you Sunspot indicated, in order to change things for the best. I believe it is called hell´s kitchen.

As you may have gathered, turning a restaurant into a viable place agian is a hell of a job ...but....can be done.

When you look at some of the places shown being in such a deplorable state, why on earth would anyone want that joint to go on?

I am not waiting on any reform whatsoever. Since I have an agnostic inclination I do not care whether or not they reform. It does not make their religious system more true. However, some people just hve the basic thrust of being in a social surrounding that gives direction and purpose to live (como mi reina). I see a shift from "End time"- hardliner to "we are still gods people having a good life" - stuff.

Others may simply state that the basic doctrines about God, Jesus, the ransom, eternal life, hell, you know, are biblical, thus making it to them the truth. They do not serve God with a date in their mind....

So, who turns out the light and closes the door?

The WT has in past issues described other religious groups for their stance on trinitarian doctrine, neutrality, hope on the millenium, or whatever suits their business. These groups often eventually disappeared in the mimst of time or over time became part of a lager denomination and lost their initial viability. Ofcourse this theme is played out against the background of the timme not being at hand to re- establish true worship.

The difference between those groups and the WBTS is that the WBTS is legally deeply entrenched inside the US and more or less in other parts of the world. And I do not see that changing over night for now. They will probably use that as a sign of Gods blessings on their efforts. .....

Cheers

Borgia

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JW Reform, It will NEVER happen...

by AuldSoul in

i have read several posts by posters who fervently hope jws will become a mainstream religion, or will become "the truth," or will stop teaching this doctrine, or tweak that one, and "oh, if they would only [fill in the blank].".

such dreaming will, in the end, come to naught.

there are practical reasons why.. (1) the rank and file have no authority over the governing body.. (2) the rank and file do not hold sway over any of the corporate interests.. (3) the vast majority of memorial partakers are not credible in the eyes of the governing body, nor do they have any authority over anything.. (4) the organization shows a willingness to publicly claim beliefs to which jehovah's witnesses do not actually subscribe in order to improve public image (see lisa's interview with j.r. brown), while retaining the same hard-line beliefs in reality.. (5) the governing body is unwilling to relinquish control over the organization, to share authority with underlings (e.g.

Borgia

proplog2,

Interestingly, running an extrapolation in excel on the figures of the last 10 to 20 years, it seems to indicate a demise after 2014. A maximum adherence around 8 to 9 million and that´s about it. But, as you know, it's statistics.

WCG has reformed dramatically after the demise of their first leader Armstrong.

Many of the JW´s I spoke to about end time eschatology of the WBTS indicate that although they would not feel happy about things not coming true, at least they perceive to have lead a good life..........

So, although I keep the door open to expectations of reform, I do not consider them probable with the current staff on the GB and affiliated comitees. Especially when it comes down to babtism age, vows, disfellowshipping and shunning, the lot about organisational issues. I do suspect a development to an even more rigid system before the final breakdown.

AS, it´s good to see you again.

Cheers

Borgia