Posts by Borgia

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Who else would never accept to go to a Judicial Committee?

by JH in

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i was never df'd.

if ever the elders asked me to attend a judicial committee for some reason, i would refuse.

i would never accept to go to their kangaroo court.

Borgia

Nah, I wouldn´t go. Wast of time and energy. I consider anything else to be a more compelling argument than they are or their office seems to be......

Cheers

Borgia

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Does God have any one organized religion he supports?

by general in

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this is an open ended question meant to iniate a debate.. .

general .

Since we have established that in the JW mind works on the following equation: the organisation = GB = Jehovah = the meeting - I have a faint idear they might consider their org to be only god supported around. And basically, I could agree with them on that one. Where else do you find 6 M people with such a believe?.......

Borgia

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Is Jehovah evil? Overheard at the public talk.

by Zico in

i heard a new teaching from the public talk today that i'd never heard before.

the speaker asked a rhetorical question, asking if jehovah would be evil for killing 6 billion people during armageddon?

(yes, he actually said, killing 6 billion people) he then followed it up by saying 'yes!

Borgia

Evil: morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct 2 a archaic : INFERIOR b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE c : DISAGREEABLE 3 a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS b : marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY - evil adverb, archaic - evil·ly /-(l)E/ adverb - evil·ness /-n&s/ noun

Main Entry: 1bad Pronunciation: 'bad Function: adjective Inflected Form(s): worse /'w&rs/; worst /'w&rst/ Etymology: Middle English 1 a : failing to reach an acceptable standard : POOR b : UNFAVORABLE c : not fresh : SPOILED d : not sound : DILAPIDATED 2 a : morally objectionable : EVIL b : MISCHIEVOUS, DISOBEDIENT 3 : inadequate or unsuited to a purpose 4 : DISAGREEABLE, UNPLEASANT 5 a : INJURIOUS, HARMFUL b : SERIOUS, SEVERE 6 : INCORRECT, FAULTY 7 a : suffering pain or distress b : UNHEALTHY, DISEASED 8 : SORROWFUL, SORRY 9 a : INVALID, VOID b : not able to be collected 10 bad·der bad·dest slang a : GOOD, GREAT b : TOUGH, MEAN - bad·ness noun

Evil is harmfull but has a connotation of moral degrade. Bad may be evil but not necesarilly so.

I dare say that lecture on Gods benevolence to be very cynical.

Cheers

Borgia

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-12-06 WT Study (COURAGE/LOVE)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 11-12-06 wt study (october 1, 2006, pages 21-25)(courage/love).

review comments will be in red.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

Borgia

Thanks Blondie,

I have enjoyed your assessment very much.

par 1/2: Did the workers who got killed in the 9/11 attackes also acted on impulse? They have put their lives in harmsway to just save others.Does that count as well?

par 4: it´s not knowledge but action - only through love can God be known.

par 8: I thought only experienced christians living up to the requirements in Timothy were to be appointed as elders?....

I thought I was taught that dedication to God is a prerequisite for babtism? Or is there only a dedication when being inaugurated as elder?

par 11/12: Satan has a enormous experience with the human mind. Is he not aware of the response to persecution? Why would he do it? Of course. He stupid. right. Reasons for hating yourself. ....rather contradictory to Jesus´commandments in Mark 12:30,31....

par 13: What is positive group pressure? When being pressured to be babtized at age 12? Do more FS, quit your fulltime job to simplify your life?

par15/16: where did she get that nice wheelchair from. It must have cost a fortune (GDP per capita = $ 900,= with a poverty rate of 86% and unemployment of 50% and inflation of 18%). Question: Do they let this poor lady go all by herself in the FS that she needs to go on all 4? Really, love in action.

Comment heard on the meeting:

When going in the FS we are busy with some elses problems and are therefore saved from our own problems.

Unbelievable!

Cheers

Borgia

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Armageddon & end of World religions

by Moomin in

i was just wondering that in the bible it states that at a time that you do not expect is the time that the end will come.

do you think that for as long as there are end of world religions then there will always be some expecting it at the correct time?

or maybe the religion or the belief that it is near will peter out due to the constant disapointments?

Borgia

Well, from another point of view....He was addressing his disciples,was he not. Acoording to the record at hand, they kept on expecting. It never came....so, in a sense it is true.....

Cheers

Borgia

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Armageddon & end of World religions

by Moomin in

i was just wondering that in the bible it states that at a time that you do not expect is the time that the end will come.

do you think that for as long as there are end of world religions then there will always be some expecting it at the correct time?

or maybe the religion or the belief that it is near will peter out due to the constant disapointments?

Borgia

moomin,

From a cynical point of view: death is upon us all. We never know whether we will be alive tomorrow, next week, next year. time and coincidence......So, yes, in a manner of speaking the end will come when least expected?

cheers

Borgia

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The Power of the Watchtower Society's literature

by The wanderer in

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the power of the watchtower society's literature a few days ago an individual on this board was contemplating.

going back to the kingdom hall.

details other than the thought was there.

Borgia

As has been contended at a district convention: there´s a big war going on. A war for your brain.....

The only way to stay insulated against WT indoctrination is not becomming isolated from other people and this world, a thing the WT article of today is heavily suggesting. They like you to submerge in that little phoney world of theirs, that pink cloudy world.

Cheers

Borgia

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The Power of the Watchtower Society's literature

by The wanderer in

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friends

the power of the watchtower society's literature a few days ago an individual on this board was contemplating.

going back to the kingdom hall.

details other than the thought was there.

Borgia

As has been contended at a district convention: there´s a big war going on. A war for your brain.....

The only way to stay insulated against WT indoctrination is not becomming isolated from other people and this world, a thing the WT article of today is heavily suggesting. They like you to submerge in that little phoney world of theirs, that pink cloudy world.

Cheers

Borgia

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Armageddon & end of World religions

by Moomin in

i was just wondering that in the bible it states that at a time that you do not expect is the time that the end will come.

do you think that for as long as there are end of world religions then there will always be some expecting it at the correct time?

or maybe the religion or the belief that it is near will peter out due to the constant disapointments?

Borgia

Moomin,

christians have believed for about 1973 years that the end is near. Before that, the Jews believed it for about 4 to 500 years. Before that, there is this account of Enoch who was supposed to believe that the end would come.

That end...the flood...is hard to proof to be worldwide when it was supposed to have happened about 2300 bce.

With big steps quickly home review I would say that humans, with or without the bible have never ever understood a syllabus about "the end" and seems more to be a product of lively imagination than actual fact.

Just a thought.

cheers

Borgia

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Do you think that Jehovah and Jesus should take some of the blame?

by booker-t in

i truly love jehovah and jesus and no matter what i will always serve them, but sometimes i feel that jehovah and jesus are the blame for satan the devil getting totally out of control.

i just don't understand(and maybe never will) why jehovah and jesus have allowed satan and the demons to cause nothing but heartache for thousands and thousands of years.

people always talk about free will and that jehovah has a bigger plan ahead but why should people have to suffer misery in order to possibly gain happiness?

Borgia

Booker-T,

Lt said something I do concur with. Take Genesis chapter 11 about the language confusion at babel. What was the purpose of such a measure and what were the circumstances.

According to the insprired word of God himself he is responsible for causing division along languages lines, culminating in ethnical and religious difference which have haunted mankind untill this day.

Of course you may reason that if humans were allowed to rule under one governement it would be a disaster because it would prevent the messiah from appearing within the mosaic framework........ or something along those lines.....basically, this line of reasoning only reflect the cynic caracter of it.

Is God a cynic? If he is love, just, strength and wisdom....would that not perfectly shown is his own record from start to finish? Would that not be reflected in nature around us? May be you are inclined to confirm this, but you are also aware of the many anomalies that then have to reflect a different caracter. Which in itself is contradictory to the first premises.

This theory advocated by WT is....problematic and does not hold any water on thourough investigation. May be you are not fully ready for it. Consider it a device to cross the water and move on with your journey without taging along that device.Time to let go, dude.

Cheers

Borgia