Posts by Borgia

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Religion! Is it the Opium of the masses?

by DJK in

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friends

why do you feel you need religion?

sorry, i am an atheist and i had to ask this question..

Borgia

When that line was written 1843, a certain type of war had been fought: the opium war, a war that covered 9 years. (Another one was to follow, though)Back then it was considered a worthwhile venture to trade opium and to control that trade. ....And to go to war over it in order to use at a disruptive force in other countries.

How different the current western governments look at this type of trade.......however, they still go to war over it.....war on drugs.

So, when saying: religion is opium for the masses, it really fits. Religion has it to fire up huge amounts of people, to simultaneously unite and divide, to call good what is evil, and to call evil what is good. Religion has many faces and it sure is considered something worthwhile to controle and to go to war over it.....and use it as a disruptive force in other coutries.

Cheers

Borgia

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Monty Python video- Don't say "Jehovah"

by OnTheWayOut in

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friends

i don't know if it's been posted before.

it gets hysterically funny toward the end.. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7241030510383279767&q=jehovah&hl=en.

Borgia

Life of bryan - one of their best....LMHO

cheers

Borgia

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Independent thinking

by under_believer in

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those of us who are still attending meetings for one reason or another often hear the phrase "independent thinking" bandied about, from the platform, from the society's literature, and from comments from other witnesses.

independent thinking, we're told, is a snare.

it's dangerous.

Borgia

Well, if everybody in the borg would start thinking independently.....there would be not much left of the borg....would there.....

Wt studies would not be held at all. Everybody would want to comment on the drivel they barf at the world every week. The public talk would not be held because no one could listen to it without rofl and lmao.

TMS and SM would immediately become absolete. No one would be there to attend.

Bookstudy?...I guess the sme thing. REV was already run down the throte on several occasions.

FS..............O yeah....Matthew 24:14 had been fulfilled has it not?

Bye bye borg.

Cheers

Borgia

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Watchtower change on Wikipedia

by aniron in

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friends

came across this on wikipedia, seems someone didn't waste any time.

beginning in 2008, the watchtower will have different focuses in the two issues that are published each month.

the issue published on the first of each month will focus on religious articles that will be offered to the general public.

Borgia

inter . organisational:
meaning:
between . "relating to an organisation " / "involving organisation"

Do they mean that on the WT study as of 2008 things relating the WT and say Scientology will be addressed?
Wow!

Cheers

Borgia

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April 1, 2007 Craptower---All About Obeying 'The Slave'

by Mary in

i've just been looking through the latest garbage literature in the above mentioned wt.

both study articles are on obeying the governing body, although the second article is more on obeying the elders.

losing your grip there a little bit fellows?

Borgia

What a splendid article! Thanks for sharing that, Mary! I just needed that to be able to stay home. I don´t think I can sit through that particular indoc session.....without laughing out loud.

But in honor of the imposter that has taken the righfull stead of the sons of the house allow me to cite this little gem:

Pro 30:21-23 LITV (21) The earth quakes under three things; yea, it is not able to bear up under four: (22) Under a servant when he reigns, and a fool when he is filled with food, (23) under a hated one when she is married, under a slave-girl when she is heir to her mistress.

Cheers

Borgia

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Would Blondie or Mary ever make it as Elders in your old Congregation?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

we know the wts will never except woman as elders.in the last year as a member of jwd,i have learned more from blondie and mary than any elder in my congregation.all the elders in my congregation look like they go thru the motions.they are more like policy enforcers than teachers.. do you think that by excepting woman, some men would be embarassed to how little they know?

does the wts know some woman would better teachers?

is it more like a men's club?

Borgia

Who would want to be ellders in the BORG?

Cheers

Borgia

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Who are following Jesus' and the Apostles' teachings today...?

by Justahuman24 in

please, this question is for those who are christians and believe in the bible.

no need for those who are not christians, don't believe in the bible or mock religion/the bible/god/jesus to respond, especially if the response is going to be nasty or offensive.

what christian group do you guys think is following in the footsteps of jesus and the apostles?

Borgia

Justahuman24,

You may find the letter called 1 corinthians to be spot on for you. Please compare chapter 3 with chapter 11. you will find some very interesting ideas about christian community. The basic problem with them was: the had "denominations"......

Main Entry: de·nom·i·na·tion Listen to the pronunciation of denomination
Pronunciation:
\di-?nä-m?-?na--sh?n\
Function:
noun
Date:
15th century

1: an act of denominating
2: a value or size of a series of values or sizes (as of money)
3: name, designation; especially : a general name for a category4: a religious organization whose congregations are united in their adherence to its beliefs and practices — de·nom·i·na·tion·al Listen to the pronunciation of denominational \-shn?l, -sh?-n?l\ adjective — de·nom·i·na·tion·al·ly adverb

1Co 3:1-23 LITV (1) And, brothers, I was not able to speak to you as to spiritual ones, but as to fleshly ones, as to babes in Christ. (2) I gave you milk to drink, and not food, for you were not then able, for neither are you yet able now. (3) For you are yet fleshly. For where among you is jealousy, and strife, and divisions, are you not fleshly and walk according to man? (4) For when one may say, Truly I am of Paul, and another, I of Apollos; are you not fleshly? (5) What then is Paul? And what Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, and to each as the Lord gave? (6) I planted, Apollos watered, but God made to grow. (7) So as neither he planting is anything, nor he watering, but God making to grow. (8) So he planting and he watering are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor. (9) For of God we are fellow-workers, a field of God, and you are a building of God. (10) According to God's grace given to me, as a wise master builder, I laid a foundation, but another builds on it. But let each one be careful how he builds. (11) For no one is able to lay any other foundation beside the One having been laid, who is Jesus Christ. (12) And if anyone builds on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, grass, straw, (13) the work of each will be revealed; for the Day will make it known, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire will prove the work of each, what sort it is. (14) If the work of anyone which he built remains, he will receive a reward. (15) If the work of anyone shall be consumed, he shall suffer loss; but he will be saved, but so as through fire. (16) Do you not know that you are a sanctuary of God, and the Spirit of God dwells in you? (17) If anyone corrupts the sanctuary of God, God will bring that one to corruption; for the sanctuary of God is holy, which you are. (18) Let no one deceive himself. If anyone thinks to be wise among you in this age, let him become foolish, that he may become wise. (19) For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God; for it has been written, "He takes the wise in their own craftiness." Job 5:13 (20) And again, "The Lord knows the reasonings of the wise, that they are worthless." LXX-Psa. 93:11; MT-Psa. 94:11 (21) So let no one glory in men; for all things are yours, (22) whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours, (23) and you are Christ's, and Christ is God's.

Point in case: why bother about denomination? there is only one foundation which was laid down by Christ. All else is
something between you an your master........

1Co 11:17-34 LITV (17) But enjoining this, I do not praise you, because you come together not for the better, but for the worse. (18) Indeed, first, I hear divisions to be among you when you come together in the assembly. And I believe it in some part. (19) For also heresies need to be among you, so that the approved ones may become revealed among you. (20) Then you coming together into one place, it is not to eat the Lord's supper. (21) For each one takes his own supper first in the eating; and one is hungry, and another drunken. (22) For do you not have houses in which to eat and to drink? Or do you despise the assembly of God, and shame those who have not? What do I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? I do not praise. (23) For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; (24) and giving thanks, He broke and said, Take, eat; this is My body which is broken on behalf of you; this do in remembrance of Me. (25) In the same way the cup also, after supping, saying, This cup is the New Covenant in My blood; as often as you drink, do this in remembrance of Me. See Luke 22:19, 20 (26) For as often as you may eat this bread, and drink this cup, you solemnly proclaim the death of the Lord, until He shall come. (27) So that whoever should eat this bread, or drink the cup of the Lord, unworthily, that one will be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. (28) But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread, and let him drink of the cup; (29) for he eating and drinking unworthily eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. (30) For this reason many among you are weak and feeble, and many sleep. (31) For if we discerned ourselves, we would not be judged. (32) But being judged, we are corrected by the Lord, that we not be condemned with the world. (33) So that, my brothers, coming together to eat, wait for one another. (34) But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, that you may not come together for judgment. And the other things I will set in order whenever I come.

Point in case: why let petty issues come between the union of christians striving for salvation though faith & grace?

Cheers

Borgia

22

The Heavenly Toilet

by drew sagan in

i think i have come across the most sarcastic and moronic article i have ever read in the watcttower magazine.

just check this out: .

*** w63 4/15 p. 238 identifying the resurrected ***.

Borgia

To be fair, that WT - argument does not hold any water.....When Jehovah visited Abraham, he not only got his feet washed but also ate bread, a bull, etc....and then the guys went up to heaven again...........NOOOOOOO I got it........the angels went to Sodom and destroyed the city with fire......

It must have been very spicy food that gave them such winds.....what a c(r)ook that Abraham was.....

Cheers

Borgia

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For anyone struggling to free themselves or loved ones from the Watchtower.

by nicolaou in

i just wanted to share an encouraging thought with anyone who is struggling to fade away from the watchtower.

six years ago, when i first started posting here, i was a ministerial servant with doubts.

my wife was an active sister and my 11 and 12 year old sons were enrolled in the theocratic ministry school and going out in field service every week along with their 7 year old sister.. there has been a lot of stress and tears along the way, my wife and i often wondered what our future would bring, but i can honestly say that we have made it.

Borgia

I am very glad for you Nic.
SSPO, hang in there. I too am searching for ways to escape with family and I know it ain´t a walk in the park.

But as for myself, I am content with the things I am doing right now. Although wifey and he kids are doing "fine" I can see the influence of fresh air already at work! Although she sometimes hates my guts for not"taking the lead in "spiritual" matters"...barf....and sees my disapproval of the BS they serve as food.....it does stick......it's in the details!

Cheers

Borgia

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Should I wait to be questioned by the elders? or take my leave in advance?

by Thinking of Leaving in

hi everyone, i recently joined this forum as i'm close to being df.

i am suppose to meet with a judical committee soon but was thinking that i don't want to go through those personal questions that i'm sure the elders would ask.

does anyone know, is it better to just tell the elders before, say like on the phone, that i want to be df and not go through the committee?

Borgia

Thinking,

That is exactly where the problem lies. When it comes down to te nitty gritty, the JC elders are company men. It is not you they are concerned about the most...no, I should rephrase that: it is you they are most concerned about because yu have such an impact on the other sheep..... it's the companies interest.

Since you do not share that sentiment to the same extent as they do, brace for impact should you decide to meet with them.

They are there to decide whether or not they should allow you to stay, whatever the cause of that particular meeting may have been ...I would say: it's up to you, not them. You are not beholden to them as if you may go by their leave......

So, be a happy camper...if they call to announce the date of your personal BBQ, let them party alone....don´t answer the call because you do not have to answer to them......

There are some very very very nice experiences out here on the board that may serve you....But first things first.....1) don´t be bothered! welcome to the rest of your life!

Cheers

Borgia