Posts by Borgia

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Is the WT misinterpreting Newton? What does "mortal" mean?

by Open mind in

yesterday's (18 october, 2009) wt lesson had a picture of milton & newton with a caption that said both men "knew" about the hope of living forever on earth.

(interesting it didn't say they "believed" it.

that's just a side point to this thread.).

Borgia

Below is a quote from heraldmag .... yes ... those JW uncles and aunts called biblestudents ...

In Of the World to Come Newton shows a clear grasp of the heavenly salvation, the earthly salvation, and the “little season.” He dismisses eternal torment with this opening salvo: “So then the mystery of this restitution of all things is to be found in all the prophets; which makes me wonder with great admiration that so few Christians of our age can find it there. For they understand not that the final return of the Jews from captivity … and the setting up of a peaceable, righteous, and flourishing kingdom at the Day of Judgment is this mystery … First, the earth shall continue to be inhabited by mortals after the day of Judgment and not only for a 1,000 years, but even forever … And that the citizens of this city are not the saints raised from the dead, but a race of mortal men like the nations over whom they reign … [That after the judgment of Isaiah 66] the saving in these and such like places of Scripture is of mortals at the last day from both misery and death both temporal and eternal. … [for] the rest of his kingdom are the nations that have been saved; and they are mortals remaining on earth.”

I'm sure these people will claim Newton for their own as do the JW.

Also below you will find a link to Newtons observations as to the prophesy of Daniel, courtesey of the gutenberg project.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21324872/2249822-Isaac-Newton-Observations-Upon-the-Prophecies-of-Daniel

I just think that he would have had a hard time with Mr Russel, Rutherford and cronies ...

Cheers

Borgia

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"The Lost Symbol" mentions Jehovah and the end being in 2012

by WuzLovesDubs in

i wonder what the wtss reaction will be to this book.

its a great read.

but all the hoo ha about 2012 lately, and the movie coming out next month and now this book about the masons mentioning jehovah... lots of bible reference and intrigue and food for thought in it.. .

Borgia

O and my calender ends this year on the 31st of december!

Cheer

Borgia

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"The Lost Symbol" mentions Jehovah and the end being in 2012

by WuzLovesDubs in

i wonder what the wtss reaction will be to this book.

its a great read.

but all the hoo ha about 2012 lately, and the movie coming out next month and now this book about the masons mentioning jehovah... lots of bible reference and intrigue and food for thought in it.. .

Borgia

Have to admit ... the special effects alone are worth watching .....

I heard that an dutch television called Z@pp regular announcement about 2012 are being done as the end of the world? Yeah ... spooky language! Good for Haloween, though.

Cheers

Borgia

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New Light on Prayer in NOV 15 WT Study Edition

by lepermessiah in

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i finally saw that november 15th wt article on prayer that everyone has been talking about - the people in the photos look as stiff as corpses!.

people will be called in the back room for inadvertantly making contact with their spouse during prayer.. i think i will adopt the following stance during prayer now:.

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Borgia

What happened to the 3 string cord ..... disappeared all of a sudden? Or is it something that has to be practiced in the bedroom? So focussing on their romantic relationship may indeed be having the 2 string cord in place!See ... the bible rebuts the WTS. ...

...but really ... what new?

Cheers

Borgia

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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. From the Nov 1 WT

by life is to short in

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the november 1st public wt has an article on "do you need to learn hebrew and greek?

" funny is it not that they feel we do not need too.

anywho on page 21 of said wt.

Borgia

There's nothing wrong with self diagnoses. You don't have to consult a medic everytime you have a cold. BUT ... it goes to show that WHEN you want someone to do a diagnosis for you, you go to an acredited professional. Someone who has studied medicine for years at an universty of repute and has a good reputation. In cases you doubt, you get a second opinion. And depending on your own considerations you do what you think is neccesary.

Now let's see where the WTS fits the description of being an acredited professional having studies for years at a university of repute .....

Cheers

Borgia

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THE REVELATION, ITS GRAND CLIMAX AT HAND"

by maputo95 in

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do you have the revelation, its grand climax at hand" book"?

it is a fascinating book backed up throughout with scriptures will open your eyes but you must read it from beginning to end.. the above is a quote from my jw friend, inactive for 30 years and thinking of sheepishly returning.

is the book cited above a scholarly and dependable commentary on revelation?.

Borgia

THE SOCIETY’S THINKING HAS BEEN REFINED OVER THE YEARS

O, sure, they have refined thinking and all .... just look at how refined: they nowrefined blood into two major parts: 4 primary components and derivates of those components. The derivates are a conscience matter, the 4 main components are still off limits. See ... very refined indeed.

Here another refinement: we already had the 15 minute preacher: the old fart publisher recognition. But now we have somthing new! The 4 hours publisher. They never get out of the house, the only thing they do is theoretically attend to the spiritual needs of the childeren. For that they can count 4 hours. See... never a reason to be inactive ... refined indeed.

Talk about refined: the original Revelation orgasm book talked about fulfillment before the year 2000. Since then you would need a supplement to get the idea that fulfillment is still in the future ... Refined indeed.

What about generation. Now we have this very refined idea that the original generation overlaps with the current generation. Not only that ... we've made a full 360. We started out with applying the generation to the annoynted, then it became all those people living in the year 1914, then since 1914 seeing the same things, ultimately no one really knows how long a generation lasts .... and now we're back with the annoynted again. annoying to keep up with all those changes I know, but what refinement!

Did I already mention the refinement on participation in and memberships of UN conventions, structures and programms?

No, don't get me started on what types of porn gets an elders deleted and DF-ed. It's so refined it hurts my head.

Cheers

Borgia

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Apostanoodle London Wed 4th November 2009

by sweet pea in

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friends

i'm coming back to the uk and will be in town for the 4th november (unfortunately besty and the podlets won't be coming with me) but i would love to meet up with y'all.

especially as i missed the last one.

so, who's up for wagamama's, covent garden, on wednesday 4th november 2009.

Borgia

Hi Sweatpea,

Would love to meetup with all of you but unfortunately won;t be able to make it. Will be in Germany during that week.

I'm looking forward to another possibility.

Cheers

Borgia

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Apostanoodle London Wed 4th November 2009

by sweet pea in

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friends

i'm coming back to the uk and will be in town for the 4th november (unfortunately besty and the podlets won't be coming with me) but i would love to meet up with y'all.

especially as i missed the last one.

so, who's up for wagamama's, covent garden, on wednesday 4th november 2009.

Borgia

Me too

Cheers

Borgia

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Where does evolution leave God?

by behemot in

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the wall street journal recently commissioned karen armstrong and richard dawkins to independently respond to the question "where does evolution leave god?".

their thoughts are here:.

http://online.wsj.com/article/sb10001424052970203440104574405030643556324.html.

Borgia

In the ancient world, a cosmology was not regarded as factual but was primarily therapeutic; it was recited when people needed an infusion of that mysterious power that had—somehow—brought something out of primal nothingness: at a sickbed, a coronation or during a political crisis. Some cosmologies taught people how to unlock their own creativity, others made them aware of the struggle required to maintain social and political order. The Genesis creation hymn, written during the Israelites' exile in Babylonia in the 6th century BC, was a gentle polemic against Babylonian religion. Its vision of an ordered universe where everything had its place was probably consoling to a displaced people, though—as we can see in the Bible—some of the exiles preferred a more aggressive cosmology.

Interesting. So Karen actually says that we need it because it is comforting or helpful. But I also think that people needed a creation myth because of their limited knowledge. If myth replaces knowledge however artful the results of creativity based on that myth .... it is still myth ... not true. I wonder if it is not really a matter of allowing people a perception. Like the famous Guernica painting of Salvador Dali. no one would argue it is a truthful representation. The way it is created is ... is ugly, eggregious, hateful, appaling and yet .... beautifull in it's own right. But Guernica is no myth.

So where does a rational description of the Spanish civilwar leaves a painting as Guernica?

Lord of the ring is a phantasy story. The book and the movie are entertaining and really capable of snatching you out of this realm into a world of elfs, aardvarks, hobbits, dwarfs and a total war on unprecedented scale of good against evil, strong against frail, big against small, etc.

Where leaves a ratioanal approach to life this Tolkin phantasy?

Cheers

Borgia

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Please help!!

by mamashel6 in

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i am brand new here and i am heartbroken looking for answers.

i have been married for 18 yrs.

yes 18 years.

Borgia

Hi Shelly,

You position is not one to be envied and I'm sorry your hubby is putting you through this. The flip flop witnesses are the worst kind. Today they are all into JW, tomorrow they have something else on their mind and are again DF-ed for whatever reason. And every new time: this is the time to make it right.

What your hubby believes or not is not for you to say, as much as he has no control over what you believe or not. Living together means finding an overlap that both parties feel happy with. When this overlapped ground is limited due to change, you have the choice to either go along with the change or not.

There are some social studies around which deal with one partner becoming a JW, while the other is not and what kind of emotional issues are at play. Basically, it is the opposite of where one party decides to be a JW any longer. The emotional issues are the same with respect to the relationship.

Due to this change ... your overlap ground will change. It may even become clear to you that the overlap ground diminishes. The question is: will what is left be enough to keep you both happy. If it is not than take desive action. You both need a heart to heart yet rational analisys about both your situations, what you want out of the relationship and whether or not either one is ready to give that. Whatever answer is the result of this analisys, you know what to do. You can set objectives and a timeframe.

Cheers

Borgia