Um, didn't the FDS recently approve of the CESNUR meetings attended by Watchtower representatives? Apparently this disapproval of all meetings they don't control is rather recent.
<cough!>bullshit<cough!>
here is the best that i could do, but i think it gets the main points of the articles across.
i wouldn't bet my life on this translation, but i think it is good enough for our purposes.
question box.
Um, didn't the FDS recently approve of the CESNUR meetings attended by Watchtower representatives? Apparently this disapproval of all meetings they don't control is rather recent.
<cough!>bullshit<cough!>
here is the best that i could do, but i think it gets the main points of the articles across.
i wouldn't bet my life on this translation, but i think it is good enough for our purposes.
question box.
choosing life,
Archeology is a science. A hard science, in fact, unlike psychology.
Respectfully,
AuldSoul
here is the best that i could do, but i think it gets the main points of the articles across.
i wouldn't bet my life on this translation, but i think it is good enough for our purposes.
question box.
Therefore the "faithful and discreet slave" does not approve of any literature, websites, or meetings not under its direction.
This new statement creates growth opportunities for a Talmudist ...
Literature: Dante's Divine Comedy, is it or is it not under the direction of the FDS? If not, it is on the "not approved" list. "Sister So-and-so, I noticed you reading People magazine the other day. Is that literature under the direction of the Faithful and Discreet Slave?" "No, Professor, I didn't read about Algernon. You see, I am a conscientious objector to University literature." "I wish I could review the Employee Handbook, boss, but it is clearly literature produced without the direction of the Faithful and Discreet Slave." "WHAT? You have a LIBRARY card? Do you realize how much literature the library has that isn't produced under the direction of the FDS? Er, yeah, about that UN library thing ... I have a question ..."
Web sites: No more ordering online for the faithful JW. The Bible makes it clear that mature christians go to outlet stores. Paul was constantly in the marketplace. No, your child should not Google "hippopotamus" if they are at an age of accountability; what if others found out that you had such a cavalier attitude toward the clear instructions from the Faithful and Discreet Slave? You can just forget about filing your taxes conveniently, the FDS has NO authority over the services Web sites, so they are unapproved.
Meetings: "I know I was supposed to be in that focus group to discuss the new direction the company is taking, boss, but my religion does not approve of meetings that aren't directed by the Faithful and Discreet Slave. What's that about the Employee Handbook? Yes sir, I'll clear out my desk."
You get the idea. Talk about adding a LOT to the Talmud, and creating reasons for JWs to gossip and slander one another even further. WOW! Next the FDS will have to revise this statement slightly and produce a list of approved and disapproved resources.
Disgustedly,
AuldSoul
got up at 5am, got the hubby up, we dressed and went to the surgery center (oh yeah i didn't tell ya'll that hubby was to go in for vein surgery this morning), hubby had surgery and we were out of there by 10am.
went and got some crutches for hubby, van started making funny noises and the battery light came on.
went to target to pick up some stuff for the kids, left there and car sounds worst.
(((mrsjones))) If I had three extra hours of sleep I'd give 'em to you.
i have been trying to sort this out scripturally, and would like to get input from christians on how these two concepts differ and/or overlap.
please be liberal with scriptures to support statements.
i think there may be others who are trying to figure this out for themselves, too.
But, they'll have to say, "Please" with just the right kind of believable smile---or, I'll let them drown too!
Here's where your story defies the Scriptures, Terry, in case you wondered. There is NOTHING we can do to earn salvation. Nothing. Not even smile in just the right kind of believable way.
That was one of the most shocking things I discovered when studying the issue. As a JW I was always taught there must be more, it can't be that simple, yadda-yadda, but it IS taught in the Bible as being JUST that simple. Anyone who wants it, gets it. Plain and simple.
i have been trying to sort this out scripturally, and would like to get input from christians on how these two concepts differ and/or overlap.
please be liberal with scriptures to support statements.
i think there may be others who are trying to figure this out for themselves, too.
Terry,
So that I won't be accused again of pedantry in asserting forum rules, would you say your posts here are on topic? Please be honest.
I'd love to know how you'd rationalize that considering the fact that the topic specifies this thread is for Christians and you claim to be a non-believer. The initial post specified a request for Scriptures to go along with posts, and invited only Christian perspectives on the issue. Would you say your views are Christian perspectives?
I would like for this thread to be a discussion among Christians who post on the forum. Are you going to continue making a nuisance of yourself with your boorish behavior?
BTW, your little atheistic story you wrote flatly rejects most of the Scriptures I cited. I doubt you even read my initial post and I am nearly certain you didn't read the Scriptures I cited. Stop begging for attention and respect where you give none.
AuldSoul
i have been trying to sort this out scripturally, and would like to get input from christians on how these two concepts differ and/or overlap.
please be liberal with scriptures to support statements.
i think there may be others who are trying to figure this out for themselves, too.
RAF,
I think I agree. I am sure I at least agree that Christians who understand grace do not slave for salvation, and that they are free. The part I am not clear on is the concept of "salvation by wisdom." Maybe you can explain more when you aren't on Short Mode.
Respectfully,
AuldSoul
i have been trying to sort this out scripturally, and would like to get input from christians on how these two concepts differ and/or overlap.
please be liberal with scriptures to support statements.
i think there may be others who are trying to figure this out for themselves, too.
Terry: Am I to understand that, in your view, neither Grace nor Forgiveness have anything at all to do with God's JUSTICE?
Certainly not. You are to understand that grace and forgiveness do not have EVERYTHING to do with God's justice. That is the fulcrum upon which your whole argument balanced. According to the Bible you picked the wrong balancing point.
But, to your credit, even avid students of the Scriptures like the Pharisees made the same mistake, so it is an understandable error.
i have been trying to sort this out scripturally, and would like to get input from christians on how these two concepts differ and/or overlap.
please be liberal with scriptures to support statements.
i think there may be others who are trying to figure this out for themselves, too.
Terry: Am I to assume you have reasons for your view?
Sure. Since this topic isn't about the nature of justice according to the Bible, I won't share them here. But, yes, I have them. It would be perfectly safe for you to assume that I do.
here is the best that i could do, but i think it gets the main points of the articles across.
i wouldn't bet my life on this translation, but i think it is good enough for our purposes.
question box.
I wonder if the Greek KM will encourage them not to study Greek?