AuldSoul

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  Need help finding articles: Propaganda

  by smellsgood in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i searched on here and on google, but i couldn't find that wonderful wt article describing the tactics of the propagandist.

  which described themselves so eloquently.

  anyways, i would appreciate anyone posting that article, a scan would be nice if possible.

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  AuldSoul

  In my opinion, the most damning bit from that issue is the insert between two of the articles. It is not available on the WT Library CD-ROM but is available from the bound volume and was posted on their official Web site until shortly after AA's post appeared on JWD and other similar evaluations popped up elsewhere on the Internet.

  If someone has the bound valume and can scan the insert that might provide some insight into why I consider that bit to be the most egregious part of the issue. They actually quote as a reference a secular resource that damns them as propagandists.

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul
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  Need help finding articles: Propaganda

  by smellsgood in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i searched on here and on google, but i couldn't find that wonderful wt article describing the tactics of the propagandist.

  which described themselves so eloquently.

  anyways, i would appreciate anyone posting that article, a scan would be nice if possible.

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  AuldSoul

  The "Article" was dubbed an insert and does not appear in the Watchtower Library CD-ROM. However, it does appear in bound volumes. I wrote a paper on it. Almost Atheist posted a thread about it.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/100209/1.ashx

  The insert used to be up on the WTS Web site, but they pulled it down. Presumably they saw how horribly it was backfiring on them in the hands of reasonable people.

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul
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  Do you really want to save us?

  by nvrgnbk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is for the christians.. let's put our swords away.. try to convince those of us that have lost our faith to accept jesus christ and all that that acceptance entails.. pretend that our lives( eternal) depend on it.. that's what you believe isn't it?.

  this is an opportunity to win souls for christ.. yes.

  things may get heated.

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  AuldSoul

  Okay, lemme get this straight ...

  ... in computer programming terms the equation looks like this "If TrueBorn-AgainChristian != Unorthodox Then Poster==CanAnswer Else Poster==CannotAnswer"

  That is, if I am a true, born-again Christian who is NOT unorthodox then I can answer. My would be that true born-again Christians follow the footsteps of a very unorthodox man. Teachings involving rebirth and/or renewal as a path toward enlightenment is not unique to Christianity, but those who advocate such things are not usually orthodox.

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul
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  OMG! OMG! OMG! My DAD has the Sept KM QB part!! We have been....

  by oompa in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  e-mailing back and forth for days about the qb, and he only told me today that he had not even noticed anything new or different about this material until i had brought it up.

  he says it would be "absurd" to think the fds mean all literature and web sites other than the wt ones are not to be used for anything, but that the context of the article needs to be taken into consideration.

  that the context is key.

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  AuldSoul

  He does not know why the FDS use the term "endorse" when they have never been known for endorsing anything before.

  Well, to be fair, they HAVE endorsed false prophecies ... and Miracle Wheat ... and the existence of both glass and wood atoms ... and air baths ... and a religion that deceptively claims to be Bible based.
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  Is this the BEST of all POSSIBLE WORLDS? Depends on this...!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if humanity were created by a supreme being who was essentially good wouldn't this be the best of all possible worlds?.

  both adam and eve lacked what they desired most.

  how is that the best of all possible worlds?.

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  AuldSoul

  Make up your mind. Pots are things.

  Something, if we stick to your argument. This is easy! I used to think you were smart.

  "Vessels fit for destruction" are vessels which in the firing become defective. Your lack of knowledge of pot making is showing.

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul
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  Recorded Conversation with elder

  by Shepherd Book in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  let's just say, hypothetically speaking, that an elder called me on the phone recently.

  let's also say, hypothetically, that i just so happen to be recording the conversation.

  let's then say he called me again and recorded it again.

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  AuldSoul

  Shepherd Book,

  If the law in your state does not proscribe recording conversations to which you are a party then the party in question has no claim to any expectation of privacy.

  eclipse,

  In many states the law now reads that only one party to the conversation needs to consent, in other words, you cannot tap someone else's phone line and record conversations to which you are not a party.

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul
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  Is this the BEST of all POSSIBLE WORLDS? Depends on this...!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if humanity were created by a supreme being who was essentially good wouldn't this be the best of all possible worlds?.

  both adam and eve lacked what they desired most.

  how is that the best of all possible worlds?.

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  AuldSoul

  Open Mind,

  Terry is using a narrative from the Bible to attempt to make a point about God. I am inviting him to use the entire narrative, and the psychological implications of the entirety, if he intends to discredit God in his conclusions.

  Otherwise, he is cherry picking, from his own reference, data which supports a conclusion he arrived at independently of that reference—a practice called intellectual dishonesty. I am eager to see where he plans to take his discussion, since he says at the outset that whether the original garden was the "BEST of all POSSIBLE WORLDS" "depends on this...!" Obviously, the world we have now is not the best of all possible worlds. None of us believe it is, except those few of us who give in to feelings of futility, so I hope he wasn't suggesting that the world we live in is supposedly the best of all possible worlds. I would think him a suicide risk if that were the case.

  I strongly suspect that needling the believers on the forum was his intent, as it often seems to be. The sad reality is that he tries to do so by misrepresenting the very account he is using as his basis for argument. He includes God, Adam, and Eve from the story, but edits out the serpent so that it appears Eve innately desired something that God was unwilling to give. That conclusion is not supported by the reference. In fact, the narrative flatly eliminates that conclusion.

  And he knows it, the sophist.

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul
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  Is this the BEST of all POSSIBLE WORLDS? Depends on this...!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if humanity were created by a supreme being who was essentially good wouldn't this be the best of all possible worlds?.

  both adam and eve lacked what they desired most.

  how is that the best of all possible worlds?.

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  AuldSoul

  Consider too; were Adam "perfect" he would act perfectly.

  Consider, does something created flawless of necessity remain so?

  No. Nice try, again. Your sophistry is a nuisance. Easily deconstructing it is highly amusing.
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  Is this the BEST of all POSSIBLE WORLDS? Depends on this...!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if humanity were created by a supreme being who was essentially good wouldn't this be the best of all possible worlds?.

  both adam and eve lacked what they desired most.

  how is that the best of all possible worlds?.

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  AuldSoul

  1. Warning from God: eat the fruit and you shall die!
  2.The fruit was found desirable and they did eat of it.

  Heh-heh, nice try.

  You are still missing a key element of the narrative. I mean, if you are going to present the narrative as argument against God you should at least include the other character in the narrative.

  1. Warning from God: eat the fruit and you shall die!

  2. A serpent spoke to Eve and convinced her that God was lying.

  3. Eve contemplated eating the fruit long enough to convince herself that it was both desirable and good for food, proving she believed God was lying.

  4. She ate it.

  You grossly oversimplify the psychology involved in her decision making process. But then, I suspect your reason in posting this was not to present a cogent argument against God. You probably just hoped to stir up a believer's nest.

  I hope anyone who reads what you wrote here actually considers how illogical it really is. Your argument is full of fallacy. You are so often sophistic in your argumentation and this is a great example. Thanks for sharing!
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  Is this the BEST of all POSSIBLE WORLDS? Depends on this...!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if humanity were created by a supreme being who was essentially good wouldn't this be the best of all possible worlds?.

  both adam and eve lacked what they desired most.

  how is that the best of all possible worlds?.

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  AuldSoul

  Narkissos,

  To be fair, Terry wouldn't exactly be pitching a novel notion if you understand him correctly.