Posts by AuldSoul

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Just one shred of evidence?

by nvrgnbk in

is there just one shred of evidence that proves beyond any doubt that there is a being that is responsible for the existence of the universe and that it continues to have some effect on its inhabitants?

thanks for the inspiration, honesty.

AuldSoul

Just remember folks Gods don't kill people, people with God's kill people .

If Gods don't exist, then how can people have them?

Just remember, people kill people, with or without Gods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

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Just one shred of evidence?

by nvrgnbk in

is there just one shred of evidence that proves beyond any doubt that there is a being that is responsible for the existence of the universe and that it continues to have some effect on its inhabitants?

thanks for the inspiration, honesty.

AuldSoul

Scientific fact. Long winded, deeply felt convictions have an atomic weight of .0000

Scientific fact. Gluons have an atomic weight of .0000000000000 ad infinitum. But they exist, they are REAL?

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Just one shred of evidence?

by nvrgnbk in

is there just one shred of evidence that proves beyond any doubt that there is a being that is responsible for the existence of the universe and that it continues to have some effect on its inhabitants?

thanks for the inspiration, honesty.

AuldSoul

Galileo: Yeah, that's one of my favorite rationalizations for believing whatever the hell you want without evidence. It sounds good, but really only the first half is true in the general sense. Most of us that try to think rationally have a specific threshold of evidence in order to believe anything. If that threshold were met, we would believe.

But what if those for whom no evidence will suffice somehow came to be the preeminent portion of the entity which label all of creation and the all the evidence of a Creator? What if they went about "thingifying" every concept to the degree that rational thought about the non-REALITY of gravity devolved ever into a philosophical discussion of what is really real?

Gravity is not a person, place, or thing. But we have it listed as a noun and we label it a force, even though we have no real evidence it exists. We have evidence that it happens, but none that it exists. Hadrons and leptons are held together by gluons, who made up the labels for these fundamental building blocks of all matter? What are 'bosons', really? Who says where one stops and the other starts?

If a buckyball is a wave and a particle, depending on your perspective, is all matter similarly a wave and a particle? Oh. Brilliant. What, exactly, is a 'wave'? Oh, well, AuldSoul, that is something we discovered we could measure so we slapped a name on it . . . beyond that we don't really know.

In our "genius" and our infatuation with our own ability to discover and utilize the reality we are surrounded by, we have hastily labeled the superabundant evidence of a Creator as anything but. The Creator is not a God of the Gaps, but is the God of the Forces of nature (and so very much more) many elements and aspects of which which we have grossly misidentified as being our various labels and definitions.

Respectfully,
AuldSoul

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KEEP this secret.....don't tell anybody

by journey-on in

i need a biblical answer to something.

when jesus performed his healing miracles, why did he tell the person.

if he had come to show himself as the messiah, why would he perform.

AuldSoul

He eventually stopped saying that. He didn't intend for his following to be due to people seeking miracles, he intended it to be people seeking wisdom and spiritual comprehension.

Respectfully,
AuldSoul

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Quick, smart searching Watchtower PDFs, 1879 thru 1949

by Fatfreek in

i, like many here, have searchable pdf files of older watchtower magazines.

the russell series, 1879-1916, which is available free to download from freeminds.

the other years, 1920 thru 1949 watchtowers in three sets (available for $30 each online).

AuldSoul

All the Watchtower publications exist in electronic format for use with the Watchtower Library search engine. That's why I know the Governing Body has no excuse for lying about their old doctrines, they can quickly and easily check. A friend of mine had a copy of it on a laptop when he visited me one time. It had EVERYTHING. He offered me a copy of it, but I was a good little dubbie at the time and turned him down. You can imagine my regret.

He held a sensitive position in IT at the time, and had access to the inner library for a while (the one they keep under lock and key, where even the Bethelites are not allowed to freely tread). There is more specific information about his assignment explaining how he got he library to begin with, but I wouldn't want to out him.

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Puke email alert: 'encouraging news' from GB

by Robert7 in

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(thanks a@g for reformatting) .

bro.

--- had a part on service meeting.

AuldSoul

Last I heard Moses was never a part of an organization claiming to care for God's sheep which had billions of dollars worth of real estate at its disposal. So, the organization WON'T take care of you should you fall on hard times. Prepare to be HOMELESS and UNEMPLOYED, SUCKERS!!! Bwahahahahaahaha!

Makes my teeth hurt.

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MOUTHY'S 81st Birthday

by BenV in

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mouthy, is today your 81st birthday?

i saw on a post you wrote -- and it said birthday!

(don't know how these things work?).

AuldSoul

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Dispelling JW Myths: Great Crowd on Earth

by AuldSoul in

in revelation 7:15, the nwt says that a great crowd who had just come out of the great tribulation would be rendering sacred service to god "day and night in his temple.

" in the book, revelationits grand climax at hand!, the explanation of this verse is given as follows:.

this temple does not refer to the inner sanctuary, the most holy.

AuldSoul

Atlantis: I never saw that site before. It is a lot more detailed than my exposé in brief, but the results are the same. Thanks. I had no idea there was such an intentional and extensive coverup on this matter.

MissingLink: Thanks!

still_in74: Those are very passionate treatments of the idiocy they promoted (again!) during this past year. Thanks for doing those, and for sharing them here.

AnnOMaly: I think that was the whole point, Ann. They are saying that the Great Crowd renders sacred service day and night in the temple (naos); but they say that the naos can include the courtyard (the earth, in their interpretive view), which is the part of the naos where the Great Crowd worships. The courtyard cannot be part of the naos. Never. Not anywhere in the Greek Scriptures.

Respectfully,
AuldSoul

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Dispelling JW Myths: Great Crowd on Earth

by AuldSoul in

in revelation 7:15, the nwt says that a great crowd who had just come out of the great tribulation would be rendering sacred service to god "day and night in his temple.

" in the book, revelationits grand climax at hand!, the explanation of this verse is given as follows:.

this temple does not refer to the inner sanctuary, the most holy.

AuldSoul

In Revelation 7:15, the NWT says that a great crowd who had just come out of the great tribulation would be rendering sacred service to God "day and night in his temple."

In the book, Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!, the explanation of this verse is given as follows:

This temple does not refer to the inner sanctuary, the Most Holy. Rather, it is the earthly courtyard of God’s spiritual temple. The Greek word naos, here translated “temple,” often conveys the broad sense of the entire edifice erected for Jehovah’s worship. Today, this is a spiritual structure that embraces both heaven and earth.

Here is the text as it appears in context in the 2005 Watchtower Library CD-ROM English:

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I thought it would be helpful to show all the instances of naos in Revelation so that a fair determination could be made about how this word is used in Revelation.

Revelation 3:12 “‘The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.

Revelation 7:15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them.

Revelation 11:1-2 And a reed like a rod was given me as he said:“Get up and measure the temple [sanctuary] of God and the altar and those worshiping in it. But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.

Revelation 11:19 And the temple [sanctuary] of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple [sanctuary]. And there occurred lightnings and voices and thunders and an earthquake and a great hail.

Revelation 14:15-17 And another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary], crying with a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud:“Put your sickle in and reap, because the hour has come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is thoroughly ripe.” And the one seated on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. And still another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary] that is in heaven, he, too, having a sharp sickle.

Revelation 15:5-6 And after these things I saw, and the sanctuary of the tent of the witness was opened in heaven, and the seven angels with the seven plagues emerged from the sanctuary, clothed with clean, bright linen and girded about their breasts with golden girdles.

Revelation 15:8 And the sanctuary became filled with smoke because of the glory of God and because of his power, and no one was able to enter into the sanctuary until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished.

Revelation 16:1 And I heard a loud voice out of the sanctuary say to the seven angels:“Go and pour out the seven bowls of the anger of God into the earth.”

Revelation 16:17 And the seventh one poured out his bowl upon the air. At this a loud voice issued out of the sanctuary from the throne, saying:“It has come to pass!”

Revelation 21:22 And I did not see a temple in it, for Jehovah God the Almighty is its temple, also the Lamb [is].

Is it even possible, given the use of "aule" for courtyard at Revelation 11:1, 2, for anyone to imagine the courtyard would contain valuable and faithful worshippers of God? The text of Revelation 11:1, 2 plainly situates the courtyard as outside the naos or 'temple'. Why does the Governing Body explanation of Revelation 7:15 place the courtyard inside the naos?

It is clear that the Bible teaches the "great crowd" will be rendering sacred servce day and night in the heavenly temple. When Jehovah's Witnesses teach that the great crowd of Revelation 7:9-17 will be located on earth, they are teaching a myth.

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My Elder Dad said "what changes"

by Champion in

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yeah, i need the one that shows how the old wt lit says the same basic teaching as the new generation understanding.....so not new light but finally just recycled crap...........oompa.

i will try to find it.

AuldSoul

How about this thread?

"This generation will by no means pass away . . ."

What did Jesus mean? What cause is there for confidence in the current JW interpretation of "This generation"?

Way back in 1927, this was answered in a segment entitled "Interesting Questions. "The irresistible conclusion therefore is that Jesus referred to the new creation when he said: 'This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.' This then would be a strong indication that some members of the new creation will be on the earth at the time of Armageddon." (The Watchtower, February 15, 1927)

From 1942 to 1995 the "generation" in question was interpreted as anyone, wicked or righteous, who saw 1914 and survives to experience the outbreak of Armageddon. After several minor revisions on who was old enough to have "seen" 1914, this doctrine was finally abandoned 80 years after 1914.

From 1995 to 2008 the "generation" in question was interpreted as "the evil contemporary generation" and "an evil 'generation'" of people identifiable by certain characteristics. (w95 11/1 p. 14 par. 18; w95 11/1 p. 16 par. 3, pp. 19-20 pars. 10-13)

A recent Watchtower study changed it to, "these anointed ones make up the modern-day 'generation' of contemporaries that will not pass away 'until all these things occur.' This suggests that some who are Christ's anointed brothers will still be alive on earth when the foretold great tribulation begins." (The Watchtower, February 15, 2008, pp. 21-25, par. 15)

The doctrine from 1942 to 1995 is mutually exclusive of the doctrine from 1927 to 1942, the doctrine from 1995 to 2008, and the doctrine that returned to the 1927 explanation in 2008. If we accept the current doctrine as correct then we must believe the following:

1927 to 1942: Correct!

1942 to 1995: Wrong. (Not mistaken, just plain wrong)

1995 to 2008: Wrong. (Not mistaken, just plain wrong)

2008 to ????: Correct! Again, after 66 years of being wrong.

During that 66 years from 1942 to 2008, was the spirit guiding them into error? They had the EXACT same teaching on this point in 1927 that they promote as truth today, this is not an example of tacking (sailing term) toward the truth, this is a direct reversal of course to a previously taught and twice rejected doctrine.

What sort of light behaves this way? A strobe light.

How could anyone have any confidence that the current doctrine, harking back to 1927, is true? When will it change again, and to what? And when it changes, will that be truth or will this? Will it change back to this again later?

The 1927 doctrine called itself an "irresistable conclusion". Although this conclusion was plainly resisted for 66 years, eventually these words have apparently proved correct—but for how long?

To read the 1927 article in context, click Watchtower, February 15, 1927 "Interesting Questions"