Posts by AuldSoul

I can see clearly now, my brain is gone
I can see no obstacles in my way
Gone are my own thoughts that had me blind
It’s gonna be a dark (bright), dark (bright)
Jay-dubya day.

I think I can fake it now, the pain is gone
All of my normal feelings have disappeared
There is that Pinto I’ve been savin’ for
It’s gonna be a dark (bright), dark (bright)
Jay-dubya day.

Look all around, there aren’t any blue skies
Look straight ahead, nothin’ but New Skies

I can see clearly now, my brain is gone,
I can see no obstacles in my way
Gone are my own thoughts, can’t hit rewind
It’s gonna be a dark (bright), dark (bright)
Jay-Dubya day.

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Defence of watchtower society Links

by reniaa in

i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.

i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.

those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.

AuldSoul

reniaa: but then if we condemn all faiths for anticipating dates then we wouldn't even follow the bible because even in thessalonians they anticipated jesus.

reniaa,

This is not reasonable, in my opinion. Nothing in Thessalonians says a date by which Armageddon will have occurred. Since there was no date setting in Thessalonians, the comparison is false.

reniaa: Now if someone tells me that they left JW's because of one of these nitpicky issues more to do with human error which itself is recorded in the bible

Which is also not true. Not one Christian in the Bible is recorded as setting a date by which Armageddon would have come.

Jesus' disciples being confused and asking Jesus questions is not the same as a religious group being ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of what was going to happen according to the Divine Plan of the Ages, to the point that they boldly preached their false predictions and publicized their false hopes throughout the world as God's truth.

Please read Ezekiel 13:1-23, which is one of the Scriptures used by the the article I posted for you as proof that every consecrated person should be speaking as an oracle of God. The FACT, indisputable fact, reniaa, is that God did not give Russell the message he and his followers were preaching to the world.

Consider this, Millennial Dawn Volume II: The Time Is at Hand, by C. T. Russell, was cited as the basis for the prediction that Armageddon would have been completed by 1915 in the January 15, 1892 Watchtower.

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The title of Millennial Dawn Volume II was "The Time Is at Hand!" This volume continued as a part of the primary Studies in the Scripture series until after 1927.

Luke 21:8 — And he said, Take heed that ye be not led astray: for many shall come in my name, saying . . . The time is at hand: go ye not after them.

Why would Jesus ever choose, as his only messengers, a religious group that was busy spreading a message that he directly told his disciples to ignore?

The conclusion I was forced by the facts to reach, reniaa, is that any religion that did not START OUT teaching the truth will not be fixed by God. God CORRECTED the nation of Israel because they started out RIGHT, not because they started out wrong and stayed wrong. He gave them the truth FIRST, then held them accountable to that and kept on bringing them back to it.

This religion started out wrong. They started out by preaching false doctrine and spreading false hopes and making false predictions. Since they never have been right, why would God fix their religion? He never has had anything to do with them from the beginning. They started out teaching what God opposes and they STILL teach in opposition to God's word, down to this very day.

For instance:

The words 'paradise' and 'earth' never appear in the same paragraph anywhere in the Bible, much less the same sentence. JWs teach that 'paradise' at Revelation 2:7 refers to heaven, specifically to the garden of God in heaven where conquering anointed ones will receive their reward. 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 clearly corresponds 'third heaven' (or 'highest heaven' according to the Jews) with 'paradise.' The evildoer asked Jesus to remember him when Jesus got into his kingdom, and Jesus assured the man that he would be with Jesus in paradise. Where would Jesus be when he got into his kingdom, if not in heaven?

There is no Scripture in the entire Bible that teaches that the whole earth has ever been a paradise at any point in the past, yet Jehovah's Witnesses claim God is going to restore the whole earth to a paradise. If I have a house that was built using shoddy materials, was not built to square, had a crumbling foundation when it was first poured, can I really say I have RESTORED the house if I bring it into a better condition than it had ever had? Of course not.

There is not one Scripture in the whole Bible that teaches about a paradise earth, yet JWs insist that this teaching is Scriptural because they assert as fact that the "new earth" equals "paradise earth." "New earth" appears in the Bible, however, and is a Scriptural idea; while "paradise earth" never appears in the Bible and is an unscriptural idea.

False hope. Still. Same religion, same method of winning converts, still teaching false hopes, still making false predictions.

Consider Ezekiel 13:1-23 carefully, reniaa. It currently describes and always has described your religion's leadership.

Respectfully,
AuldSoul

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Defence of watchtower society Links

by reniaa in

i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.

i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.

those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.

AuldSoul

Melody, I knew a Chris Blankenship from Georgia. Would he be any kin to you, as far as you know?

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I Saw My JW Cousin & He Totally Ignored My Hello

by minimus in

jw
friends

i was at the drug store and he walked straight up the aisle i was in.

i said, "hi ******"......he just walked straight by me as if i didn't exist.

so i said, "helloooo ******".

AuldSoul

I tossed my wife's friend out the other night, telling her she would be welcome back when she learns some manners. The audacity. She came over to my house, in front of my twelve 5th graders (to whom we are trying to teach proper social skills) and refused to speak to me when I said, "Hello."

I made it perfectly clear that my reason for ejecting her had nothing to do with religion, even if her rude behavior was because of her religious beliefs.

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Can you successfully debate with a Jehovah's Witness?

by digderidoo in

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friends

the answer is no way if they are very diehard jws.

AuldSoul

No. No one can. But that does not mean debate serves no useful purpose. Lurkers read. People wondering whether they might have made a mistake read. People who just met JWs and want to check out the religion read. How THEY perceive JWs is affected by what you write. Your arguments always reach them, always have an impact on them.

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How to Bankrupt the WTS

by Farkel in

how to bankrupt the watchtower corporation.

when i was a pioneer, we were expected to "place" 100 magazines a month.

i knew i could only pawn off on people about 30 or 40 copies a month.

AuldSoul

Marvin: Have you ever tried to burn a stack of Watchtower and Awake magazines? You can soak em in gasoline--they won't burn completely. You can stir the fire over and over again--they won't burn completely. Marvin,

I have personal experience with successfully burning STACKS AND STACKS of Watchtower Society publications. The trick is not to do it in a pit or barrel, just on open ground where the wind can get to the coals and get yourself a nice long metal rod to use as a poker, because—and here's the important part—the fire has to be wide instead of high to burn 'em completely.

The coals from those things are extremely hot, like presoaked firelogs, and they use up LOTS of oxygen to burn. They will smother themselves out if there is not enough air getting to them.

Now that you know how, folks, get to torching them!

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So why ARE women allowed to speak at congregation meetings?

by easyreader1970 in

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friends

the apostle paul said that women should be silent in congregation meetings and not flap their traps.

if they need to talk about something, they can talk about it with their husband when they get home.

so why does the wbts pick and choose which verses they apply and which they do not?

AuldSoul

outofthebox: Otherwise, we should be allowed to have slaves like they had then.

Oooh! That would be nice. I always wanted my own Canadian slave. You know, someone I could FORCE to stand around and be polite.

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What kind of raw honey do you like?

by asilentone in

there are so many raw honey products on the internet, i cannot decide which one i want to buy.

AuldSoul

My all time favorite raw honey is white tupelo honey. If you have found a source of pure white tupelo honey, you'll know it.

Pure white tupelo honey will NOT granulate. It is even an acceptable sweetener for some diabetic patients.

My grandfather was an expert beekeeper and he always loved white tupelo honey the best. He said it was the toughest honey to make in the States; apparently you have to time several stages of production and collection just right in order to get pure white tupelo.