AuldSoul

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  Why have you rejected all forms of faith?

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  it seems that when a person leaves jw's, there's just no telling where he'll end up spiritually.

  christian, jew, pagan, jamesthomasism -- i dare say every faith is represented among us.. but there are those that reject faith altogether.

  they are often accused of letting the watchtower steal god from them, or throwing the baby out with the bath.. are you one those that rejected faith altogether after your exit?

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  AuldSoul

  FunkyDerek, if you don't see yourself as talking in circles to avoid the point, I hope others do.

  You chose, "characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind," as an antonym of objective. I agree.

  Love belongs to reality as perceived, that is to "subjective reality." It is therefore subjective, because that is what subjective means. There must be such a thing as subjective reality if your definition of "subjective" includes "reality as perceived." Love cannot be perceived independent of mind.

  Some physical manifestations we associate to the emotion can be perceived independent of the mind but love, itself, cannot. These physical reactions are not love, they are the physical effects associated with love. These effects have names and are objective things, but they are not love. Love is subjective, it is a subjective experience and it cannot be defined apart from defining an experience as perceived.

  I doubt you will agree. And that is okay with me, you don't have to.

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  Using emoticons on this board

  by Billygoat in

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  simon and angharad,.

  i have a question for you.

  i love your little emoticons!

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  Oh, that's EASY !

  lets you make a Great Crowd of people, one united happified throng! Alternatively, can represent voodoo dolls because we don't discriminate.

  with this combination you can demonstrate the effect of a disfellowshipped person approaching and trying to talk to Witnesses in good standing (fleeing)

  "Take picture, it'll last longer."

  Home Movie warning.

  Call Disconnected (notice line is cut )

  This is bad artwork from MicroSoft, it is supposed to indicate people interacting.

  Hunger (obviously...the plate is empty)

  Asian hunger (see Hunger)

  The uses are manifold. I have seen it used with a series of periods preceding to signify slinking slowly away. The insult you got already.

  This is (I think) supposed to be coins. But, I could be way off on that. Could be balls of yarn. Or Ben-Wa balls...

  I am mostly just trying to bttt this topic for you in a humorous way.

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  The most EERIE passage in a Watchtower Publication leads to atheisim

  by Terry in

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  the most eerie and fascinating passage i ever read in any of the jw literature (literature??

  ) was in the red book, life everlasting in freedom of the sons of god.

  i wish i had written the quote down.

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  If humans were made in God's image, and humans can develop multiple personality disorder, the God Must have had multiple personality disorder .

  Makes about as much sense as what they said .
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  The most EERIE passage in a Watchtower Publication leads to atheisim

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the most eerie and fascinating passage i ever read in any of the jw literature (literature??

  ) was in the red book, life everlasting in freedom of the sons of god.

  i wish i had written the quote down.

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  AuldSoul

  As long as the WTS is right, your conclusions make sense .
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  JWs and lurkers: Would you teach your son?

  by AuldSoul in

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  here is an illustration for those who are jws and for lurkers:.

  suppose a man approached you with these words, "i am god's prophet.

  an important one, too.

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  Okay, Top Hat, suppose the man is not a single man, but a group of individuals. And you don't know them beyond what they write to you, but your great-grandfather met them once when he was in his forties. And the rest of the illustration still applies as written. That is the situation I find myself in.

  But, I think you got the point .

  AuldSoul
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  Why have you rejected all forms of faith?

  by AlmostAtheist in

  1. jw
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  it seems that when a person leaves jw's, there's just no telling where he'll end up spiritually.

  christian, jew, pagan, jamesthomasism -- i dare say every faith is represented among us.. but there are those that reject faith altogether.

  they are often accused of letting the watchtower steal god from them, or throwing the baby out with the bath.. are you one those that rejected faith altogether after your exit?

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  I contest your definition, FunkyDerek, on the grounds that it is overly simplistic. Here's Merriam-Webster Online: sub·jec·tive

  I think you'll discover that your definition is a bit too narrow. If you wish to refer to love as imaginary, then maybe I can go along with your usage. However, that would mean you believe in imaginary reality which has been my point from the outset.

  EVERYONE believes in imaginary reality, if we say that subjective is "only in the mind."

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  guys i really need your help

  by Cordelia in

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  todaythings have really come to a head and i have a massive decusion to make by 7pm tonight!.

  basically i have been dfed since march tryed to get reinstated two weeks ago but they said no, thing is i only did it for my family esp my dad he is not well and i love him to pieces.

  but when i got dfed i had a boyfriend and things have been up and down (hes put up with alot) but he is sticking by my side and i love him and want to be open about him and not lie anymore, .

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  (((Cordelia))) I would advise against destroying their faith, but at least get them started on the road to a different life. It sounds like they will still associate with you, just avoid religious subjects. They will bring them up, just respectfully ask not to talk about it. Ultimately, you can choose to betray yourself or be true to yourself.

  Being true to yourself is going to automatically cause a lot of painful soul-searching by your parents, and they may diiscover that their "life" is not what they thought it was after all. Betraying yourself will bring everything back to a stifled normalcy, and your personality will be subsumed under the pressing burden of Organizational law and customary expectation all over again.

  I'll be praying for you.

  AuldSoul
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  Why have you rejected all forms of faith?

  by AlmostAtheist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it seems that when a person leaves jw's, there's just no telling where he'll end up spiritually.

  christian, jew, pagan, jamesthomasism -- i dare say every faith is represented among us.. but there are those that reject faith altogether.

  they are often accused of letting the watchtower steal god from them, or throwing the baby out with the bath.. are you one those that rejected faith altogether after your exit?

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  AuldSoul

  Yes. You may ask why. I am not defining the word as "untestable" but from the definition of the word the net effect of "untestability" is obvious.

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  JWs and lurkers: Would you teach your son?

  by AuldSoul in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is an illustration for those who are jws and for lurkers:.

  suppose a man approached you with these words, "i am god's prophet.

  an important one, too.

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  AuldSoul

  Here is an illustration for those who are JWs and for lurkers:

  Suppose a man approached you with these words, "I am God's prophet. An important one, too. I should be compared to John, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Isaiah. I have come to explain to you the fulfillment of all the prophecies of the Bible. You write, while I talk."

  And so, he relates the fulfillments of all the prophecies in the Bible. Once he is finished, he says, "Oh. One more thing. You have to prove yourself approved by God. Here's the requirements for that." He hands you a sheaf of writings. "Study up on those, you are going to be judged according to how well you meet those requirements!"

  Over the next 100 years, this same man keeps coming back and revising what God said would happen, often after the fact. He also extensively revises what is required to please God, adding and subtracting as time rocks on, sometimes even adding to and then coming back to remove the addition.

  Would you teach your son that this man speaks for God?

  AuldSoul
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  Why have you rejected all forms of faith?

  by AlmostAtheist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it seems that when a person leaves jw's, there's just no telling where he'll end up spiritually.

  christian, jew, pagan, jamesthomasism -- i dare say every faith is represented among us.. but there are those that reject faith altogether.

  they are often accused of letting the watchtower steal god from them, or throwing the baby out with the bath.. are you one those that rejected faith altogether after your exit?

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  AuldSoul

  Love is not subjective because it is a feeling. It is subjective because it cannot be tested for. That is the connection you are missing.

  You have thus far failed to grasp the balancing point of subjectivity vs. objectivity. Once you cross that boundary you will see that unless you can test for something/falsify something, it is subjective.

  Unless you believe God can be tested for, God fits the "subjective" category perfectly. As does love. As does faith. As does pain. I suspect you believe God is subjective, you just never thought of God in those terms.

  AuldSoul