Did no one notice that he got one of the attendants admitting how helpful he had been both during the full day session he attended AND after the session?
He was NOT there to cause trouble.
AuldSoul
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Convention attendee harassed by attendants
by song19 ini found this youtube video very entertaining and enlightening..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjxhljc6ko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq12p-g1560.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5dm4g9btlw.
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Convention attendee harassed by attendants
by song19 ini found this youtube video very entertaining and enlightening..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjxhljc6ko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq12p-g1560.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5dm4g9btlw.
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keyser soze: The fact that I don't hate JWs enough to hang onto a grudge for over sixteen years, does not make me a WT sympathizer. . .
When did the guy filming ever say he hates JWs, or bears them a grudge? I missed that part. He had a very current grudge against his cousin acting smarmy and super-spiritual because he knew his cousin's past (and was probably accurate in guessing his cousin still swears when not wearing a suit).
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Convention attendee harassed by attendants
by song19 ini found this youtube video very entertaining and enlightening..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjxhljc6ko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq12p-g1560.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5dm4g9btlw.
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It could be that some misunderstand his point. He stressed throughout how the clean-cut appearance of JWs is a facade. I think his point was that the facade is very surface; a dish cleaned only on the outside and a whitewashed grave full of dead men's bones. He assumed the viewers would see in his cousin's eyes the recognition that what he was saying was true, and at least for my part he assumed correctly.
Throughout, his cousin's point was not to have him leave, to learn, to change, to convert, but only to get him to agree to comport himself in a way that is organizationally sanctioned. The man had not done otherwise, the cousin stated no cause for his concern that he might do otherwise, but the cousin was deliberately creating a scene in a public place by repeated proximity and imposing unwanted conversation. The camera man had every right (under law) to ask an authority figure to move along since that authority figure had no cause to detain him or in any way abridge his ability to exercise his Constitutional freedoms. The authority figure stated no cause for his continued, unwanted presence and was therefore the party in the wrong.
The outburst at the end almost certainly removed all basis for a cause of action, but was perfectly understandable given the creepy perpetual proximity of cousin Joseph.
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Convention attendee harassed by attendants
by song19 ini found this youtube video very entertaining and enlightening..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjxhljc6ko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq12p-g1560.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5dm4g9btlw.
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white dove: I don't stay in a place that seems hostile to my presence.
While I understand your personal choice I also have to recognize that in the United States we the people are protcted to some extent by a contract called the Constitution. The Amendments to this document are put in place to protect the rights of the individual as superior in certain respects to the rights of institution.
The religion in question BRAGS publicly about upholding freedoms guaranteed by those amendments, and the camera holder in this video was calmly and peacefully asserting his rights until people began to harass him. He did not instigate ANY harassment. Therefore I do not believe the person holding the camera was in the least bit out of line, it must have been frustrating for him to know so much history about his cousin who was standing there smarmily repeating the same rote, pseudo-unified behavior crap over and over again.
Among JWs it is ALL about appearances, and I think the camera man made his point perfectly well.
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People who make the truth EXCITING!
by slimboyfat ini have been fading for years now and attend meetings very rarely these days.
but something happened recently to make me think about going regularly again.
a couple have returned to my congregation who used to be special pioneers here twenty years ago.
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SBF: They are really genuine, and there is something about them that people respond to. They are more than just good salespeople. They care about people and think they are really doing good.
I understand what you mean, SBF. But there have always been some such ones among the Bible Students and JWs. The organization could not have grown otherwise, even though it has done so at a snail's pace compared to MANY other religions.
Here's a mental exercise that could help with the feelings you are having: Imagine that these two were JUST as enthusiastic about C.T. Russell's Divine Plan of the Ages and the significance of the Testament in Stone at Gizeh. They surely would have been. Now, weigh the merits of intelligence that has been applied to supporting COMPLETELY false doctrine (which we already know from hindsight) and enthusiasm along with caring concern for the welfare of others that has been the emotional draw (devoid of reason) for accepting said sophistry.
Would you consider believing the Divine Plan of Ages if they presented it to you? If so, it is the charisma of this couple that is drawing you, not the message. In that case you can safely dismiss any urge to follow.
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Other KC DC highlights
by stillajwexelder inmanuscript talk - denim is bad - then a whole item on low cut tops, tight clothing, long slits etc - and bra straps showing (you can not make this shit up) is also bad.
last but one item - desperate need for brothers to reach out - cant form congregations if brothers dont reach out.
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stilljwexelder: The publication - " Keep yourselves in Gods Love" has the topics on masturbation and blood in the appendix
Well! My wife might decide to leave after all.
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Being told what to say in Convention interviews
by passwordprotected inhas anyone else heard tell of interviewees in convention parts being told what to say?
the way i've heard it is you're contacted to be interviewed in a convention talk because you've had a great experience in some form or other and they need you to boast about it.
so, you meet with the brother handling the assignment and you go through your experience with him (boast about it).
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My wife was one of these "embellished experiences". My sister studied with the woman who eventually became my wife. My wife's family were all devout Church of God and Christ. When my (now) MIL found out about the study, she bought books and read up on JWs and tried to find out how to keep my wife out of the religion. The first thing the books said to do was get her to stop her study. Bad advice, in my opinion, since someone hooked on it is always getting something out of it. So, my MIL told my wife to stop her study.
My wife started sneaking out of the house to meet my sister. Now there was the whole James Bond "intrigue" feel to it, but my wife currently admits she didn't really study thoroughly for the study with my sister. This rocks on a while and my wife starts regularly attending meetings. I should add that my wife used to SUCK at confrontations. So she lied about why she was leaving and who she was going with. One night, my MIL got suspicious and followed her. When my wife got back they had a row.
My MIL put her foot down, "As long as you are under my roof . . .!"
My wife packed her belongings neatly in a Hefty garbage bag and left. When she arrived at my parent's house she said, "This will be an interesting experience, I have never spent the night away from home before."
Precanned experience for the DA, right? Well, the DA experience happened, but they omitted that my wife's mother was apologetic over her behavior and took my wife back in that very week. They also played up how horrible it was that a mother would be willing to cut off her own child just because her child wanted to learn the truth from the Bible. My sister and mother and future wife were on the DA part, together. Now, my sister and mother have cut me off just because I wanted to learn the truth about my religion from the Bible.
"Watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy."
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WHY disregard "ANECDOTAL" evidence?
by hamsterbait inin many threads i constantly hear the complaint that personal experience cannot be regarded as proof because it is not scientific.. but when should such experience be useful?
why listen to it at all?.
for example - i have been doing mantra meditation for several months now.
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TD,
That's why I never profess ability to prove the existence of God to someone. I can relate my experiences that proved it to me, but I can't ever prove it to someone else, I can only tell them. I usually refrain from doing so since it tends to bring the chiding intelligentsia out of the woodwork like moths to a flame or, perhaps more fittingly, like the schoolyard bullies to the horn-rimmed nerd.
However, is not personal experience a reasonable guide for development of our OWN beliefs, or should we make EVERY perception rejected unless it can first be made subjectable to laboratory conditions and experimentally confirmed?
And I agree that hamsterbait raises a good question. If personal perception is unreliable as proof of the benefits of meditation, why is it perfectly suitable for purposes of murder trials, civil lawsuits, etc.? The message is, "No one should consider your personal perception as a reliable to whether there is a metaphysical reality as well as a physical reality, but your personal perception is perfectly serviceable for sentencing a man to die or to spend his entire life in prison."
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To ex-JW's who became real "Christians"
by startingover ini have a question.. what is your belief now regarding hell?
a place of torment?
the grave?
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The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam
I knew I liked you for some reason! I have a paperbound, beautifully illustrated copy of that. Published in 1913.
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Children Who Leave Always Come Back to the Society
by ataloa ini heard this in a car group one day.
a young single mother said she always heard that growing up.
when she left she was adamant she would never be back, and now here she was.. is this true for the most part?.
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AuldSoul
Obviously, it isn't true. It is frequently true, but I think it depends on the reason for the child leaving. If the child leaves because they find the religion too rigid and confining, I think many of these would return after experiencing freedom in the big, bad, scary world. If the child leaves because they take exception to the issues of doctrine taht the Bible does not support or because they wisey reject the notion of the Governing Body having been appointed to direct the organization, those don't ever go back.
Respectfully,
AuldSoul