"I think that if a person persistently viewed porn and after much help has been offered to assist such a one, the person could be charged with "loose conduct" , all acts reflecting a brazen attitude. Typically, the Watchtower uses "loose conduct" in connection with sexual matters. I doubt they will say it is "porneia"."
It is "porneia" if masturbation was involved with chatroom sex, of course that is a step beyond porn. This was brought out back in 2000, I believe.
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Elder school notes, Part 2: hysterical screed against education continues
by sir82 incontinuing this morning's notes, in the same format.... talk 5: overview - organized to do jehovah's will - brother bethel-coot.
synopsis: general high level review of contents of new "organized to do jehovah's will" (od) book.
pointed out how to use index (duh!
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Jan 1st WT: Reaching out, Higher Education and Providing for one's needs
by truthseeker inwell, as a nice start to the new year, the jan 1st watchtower article, "how firm is your trust in god" blasts those who live comfortable lives, those who don't reach out, and those who pursue higher education.. definitely, they are taking a harsher stand, having completely painted themselves into a corner.. i highlighted the interesting comments.
i did not include all the text for each paragraph, just the main points.. .
1 a young man wanted to be more useful to the congregation.
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Well, I suppose they could wrangle some sort of twisted application of scripture saying you should not go to college, but I don't think they ever would because it would unnecessarily and drastically cut their numbers.
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Elder school notes, Part 2: hysterical screed against education continues
by sir82 incontinuing this morning's notes, in the same format.... talk 5: overview - organized to do jehovah's will - brother bethel-coot.
synopsis: general high level review of contents of new "organized to do jehovah's will" (od) book.
pointed out how to use index (duh!
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"So is this "Disturbing Information" that was to be released a the elder's school? http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/101736/1.ashx"
Hah, "disturbing information" is basically that some people in the organization are not doing everything the WTS says... *gasp* could it be?!?! -
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New JW Calendar
by stillajwexelder injust thought you would all be delighted to know, the new jw calendar for 2006 are out - quite good actually
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I like how ever Saturday is marked "Magazine Day."
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Elder school notes, Part 2: hysterical screed against education continues
by sir82 incontinuing this morning's notes, in the same format.... talk 5: overview - organized to do jehovah's will - brother bethel-coot.
synopsis: general high level review of contents of new "organized to do jehovah's will" (od) book.
pointed out how to use index (duh!
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"Eventually, while pioneering, he worked part time in a bank on Wall Street. "And who did you end up training there?" "Recent graduates from Ivy League schools" "Did you hear that brothers? A part time pioneer had to train the Ivy League graduates to do their jobs! They needed someone who could do the job well!!!" (Enormous whoops and laughter from audience)"
We had a nearly identical demonstration at our school.
Also, the examples were identical... now these stories will be spread for decades as urban legends... I would give money to see that cookie shaped like the "male sex organ" made by a sister. At our school, I started busting up laughing when they mentioned that, until I realized no one else was laughing.... -
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To follow or not to follow, that is the question...
by truthseeker ini just looked at a recent post showing the figures for the usa.
as expected, august bailed out the society with an increase of 0.22%, which when rounded off, will be a flat indicator.
baptisms seem just a tiny bit down.. i think the question to consider and ponder over now, is not, "how much is the increase this year" or "how many got baptized", but "how well do witnesses follow the party-line?
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"Are there other branches of JW?
Are there break offs who teach that witnessing should come from the heart?
That Jehovah will show mercy to those he wants to at Armageddon?
That more than JW will survive into the paradise?
Have ex JWs formed a new church of any kind?
Id be interested to know!"
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Spell out what a Witness must do to be considered a "good" JW?
by JH in.
what must one do, brother or sister, to be considered a good witness in the congregation?.
don't leave out anything.....
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Follow these rules and you will be the s*** in any congregation!
Sister:
1. Get yourself married to an elder or a servant (bonus points for marrying an ex-Bethelite! and if you marry a Bethelite, praise the Lord - you have reached the 9th level of the Organization and you are now untouchable). WARNING! If none of the above are available (most likely), do not date at all!
2. Work part-time and pioneer, or at least try to aux. pioneer once in a while.
3. Always have your Watchtower studied - preferably in 4 different colors of ink.
4. Answer at least twice per meeting. Or at least have your hand up constantly.
5. Never have anything derogatory to say about any elder's wives.
6. When the CO comes, make sure to get out in service with his wife, preferably one of those spots that they can never fill in the afternoon.
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Brother:
1. Don't get married! Ever! (this conflicts with the above advice for sisters, but it's God's recomendation, so just roll with it).
2. If you do get married, make sure she does not have a "sketchy" past (virginity is ideal).
3. Do one of the following: Have 1 full-time job, or a part-time job and aux. pioneer with your wife.
4. If you have the former (full-time job), you must go out in service at least 3 times per month. No less than 3 times, otherwise you are not considered "visible."
5. You must "reach out." In other words, walk up to an elder an say "I want to be used." You are now on the servant/elder track and will be labeled an "up-and-comer."
6. As an up-and-comer, you must do at least one "visible" job per meeting. For example, run a mike, do the stage mikes, stand behind the counter in the back, etc... (if none of these positions are available, stand next to the KH door and shake everyone's hands and smile big - being the "welcomer" earns you huge brownie points when you are "welcoming" the elders).
7. Have your Watchtower studied at least 2 times per month - you get two freebie. Quick underlines are sufficient - anymore and you will seem "holier-than-thou" to the rest of the servant body.
8. Any talks you give must be prepared no more than one week in advance. Your talks must not be overly prepared as you will seem too eager and inexperienced. (Bonus points for being a "short-notice" talk giver.)
9. Hob-nob with the CO when he comes into town (Explanation of "hob-nobbery": Stand within 5 feet of the CO, put hands in pockets and laugh at his jokes [Bonus points for slipping the CO money]).
10. Always, always, always SMILE.
11. Oh yeah, buy one of those dvd box thingies that has a door on the front so your collection of movies is never seen buy anyone who might get offended at your copy of The Godfather, or Rocky.
If you are a couple and you both adhere to the above rules, you will together reach the 9th level of the Organization, which oddly enough, is the most stressful level. The 9th level is not the level for those who want to reach bliss. As members of the 9th level, you will be admonished, counsiled, and advised more than anyone else in the congregation. But, you will have the satisfaction of knowing you are ALMOST doing enough. -
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Elder's School Notes Part 1: Quit being so materialistic, you slackers!
by sir82 inask, and ye shall receive.. i will herewith post my notes from the km06 elders school i recently attended.
i will post this in 6 parts, to give people a chance to read smaller chunks and comment on them.. a couple of introductory notes: i wrote an awful lot of stuff, and will not post everything.
for each talk, i will post 3 sections: (1) general synopsis, (2) personal thoughts & observations, (3) particularly egregious quotations.. the primary speakers, who delivered more than 1/2 of the talks, were a circuit overseer and a guest from brooklyn bethel.. to protect anonymity, we will refer to the sadly inane circuit overseer as brother sico.. and the old-timer lifelong brother from bethel, completely out of touch, as brother bethel-coot.. one more introductory comment: it seems the main points the society wanted to send to elders were:.
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And thank you SIR for posting your personal notes. Tell me, was it agonizing or was it agonizing to sit there and hear this drivel for 12 hours?
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Elder's School Notes Part 1: Quit being so materialistic, you slackers!
by sir82 inask, and ye shall receive.. i will herewith post my notes from the km06 elders school i recently attended.
i will post this in 6 parts, to give people a chance to read smaller chunks and comment on them.. a couple of introductory notes: i wrote an awful lot of stuff, and will not post everything.
for each talk, i will post 3 sections: (1) general synopsis, (2) personal thoughts & observations, (3) particularly egregious quotations.. the primary speakers, who delivered more than 1/2 of the talks, were a circuit overseer and a guest from brooklyn bethel.. to protect anonymity, we will refer to the sadly inane circuit overseer as brother sico.. and the old-timer lifelong brother from bethel, completely out of touch, as brother bethel-coot.. one more introductory comment: it seems the main points the society wanted to send to elders were:.
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"It is perceived by some, that the Spanish witnesses do not earn as much as their English counterparts, have less education (particularly if raised in the truth) and are more oriented to religion in general."
I can see this as true, however, the Spanish-speaking JW's are generally very hard workers and will stop at nothing to take advantage of the relatively good economy here in the States to provide for their family as best they can. Just take a glance at the Spanish meeting parking lot... materialism is a big issue in the Spanish congregations, perhaps even more so than in English. There are less pursuing higher education, but more working longer hours. -
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Jan 1st WT: Reaching out, Higher Education and Providing for one's needs
by truthseeker inwell, as a nice start to the new year, the jan 1st watchtower article, "how firm is your trust in god" blasts those who live comfortable lives, those who don't reach out, and those who pursue higher education.. definitely, they are taking a harsher stand, having completely painted themselves into a corner.. i highlighted the interesting comments.
i did not include all the text for each paragraph, just the main points.. .
1 a young man wanted to be more useful to the congregation.
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"I'm sure the Governing Body has already toyed with this idea and has probably put it on the back burner for now. However, if the R&F continue to "disobey" them, by either attending university or letting their kids go, then they might feel that the only way they can curb this "independent thinking" is by strickly forbidding it on pain of disfellowshipment.
Anyone think they're not capable of doing this?"
I don't think this would ever happen. First of all, there is absolutely no scriptual principle they can apply that would justify disfellowshipping for seeking higher education. Second, they would be shooting themselves in the foot - there are too many JW's going to school, and it would only serve to alienate them and their families further. If anything, education will become a redundant issue in coming years because more and more will be going to college. It's a losing battle, and I think they know it. It's like having a computer with internet access. At one time brothers fromt the platform could say "it's a fad, it's the trend today to get a computer..." but we see now how it is a huge part of our society and everyone has a computer and most of them have internet access.