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  Awake! response showing holidays are ok and conscience matter - Inside!!

  by WingCommander in

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  i forget where i got this, but this scan is from the july 2004 awake!

  magazine, and as you can see it responds to a reader asking about the obviously pagan pinata tradition.

  but that isn't the story or the shocker here, it is the society's response to the article.

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  daniel-p

  The real reason? Mexico was experiencing the highest growth during that year (2004). It was a political move, not a theocratic one.
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  Awake! response showing holidays are ok and conscience matter - Inside!!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i forget where i got this, but this scan is from the july 2004 awake!

  magazine, and as you can see it responds to a reader asking about the obviously pagan pinata tradition.

  but that isn't the story or the shocker here, it is the society's response to the article.

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  daniel-p

  According to the last sentence, it is not a disfellowshiping offense to celebrate holidays, since it is a consience matter! What a bunch of liars.
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  Awake! response showing holidays are ok and conscience matter - Inside!!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i forget where i got this, but this scan is from the july 2004 awake!

  magazine, and as you can see it responds to a reader asking about the obviously pagan pinata tradition.

  but that isn't the story or the shocker here, it is the society's response to the article.

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  daniel-p

  Here is the text from the CD:
  
  
  Piñatas:
  I read with interest the article “The Piñata—An Ancient Tradition.” (September 22, 2003) It left me with some questions. The ties to false religion are well-documented. But the article seemed to take the position that as long as it doesn’t bother someone’s conscience, it is OK. What about birthdays and holidays such as Christmas?
  -S. W., United States
  
  “Awake!” responds: Christians refrain from any celebrations or customs that continue to involve false religious beliefs or activities that violate Bible principles. For example, the Bible definitely puts birthday celebrations in a bad light. (Genesis 40:20; Matthew 14:6-10) However, if it is very obvious that a custom has no current false religious significance and involves no violation of Bible principles, each Christian must make a personal decision as to whether he will follow such a custom.
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  Will the "Deliverance at Hand" convention cause the WT to release new book

  by booker-t in

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  i am not sure but i think judge rutherford wrote a book called "deliverance" and i was wondering if the wt society will release an updated version of rutherford's book at the 2006 district convention "deliverance at hand" conventions?

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  daniel-p

  There will most suredly be a new REVELATION book, IMO. If not this convention, then soon. I can't even open that book without feeling like it was written by an apostate, it has so much info that has changed er um "new lighted."
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  weird comment from a MS to me....

  by ?me? in

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  a few weeks ago we were cleaning the hall and one of the ministerial servants that is in my cbs made what i thought was a weird comment to me.......... what is your take?

  " so he repeats "thanks for your help" ok,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, he was not even in charge of the cleaning(we all know what needs to be done), actually no one was, but the bs overseer was there and helping also.

  so i quip back "oh ok,yeah, and thanks for your help mr. young ms" maybe i am taking it the wrong way but it wasn't even his assignment to get done, it was the whole bookstudy's and then it was the elders job to make sure we did not screw it up.............................me ...................................................sorry , having trouble with the formatting... .

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  Its easy to be over sensitive and get irked at little comments like that because sometimes in an effort to sound humble and thankful, you can sound condescending. As a former MS myself, I made a point to show gratitude to people who helped out to clean the hall as I was always the one to initiate the cleaning. Likely, he is just trying to be nice and set a good example. I wouldnt get all uppety about it....
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  the faithful and discreet slave....... who are they really?

  by primitivegenius in

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  i was asked.......... since i dont belive what the witlessness do.... who do i consider to be the faithful and discreet slave?

  now im not ashamed to admit i havent quite figured that out yet, so my reply was, it could be any minister who truely looks out for their congregation.

  so my question is this....... what and who do those scriptures represent?

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  daniel-p

  I've met Losch, Sydlik, Shroeder, and even old man Henshel but only Sydlik looked like he had half a brain. Losch freaked me the hell out.
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  Ridiculous New System Ideas

  by sass_my_frass in

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  ... that i've noticed, generated by wbts, include that:.

  - everybody's living room has a view to the distant snow-capped mountains, uninhibited by the neighbour's ugly tudor that he knocked together at least forty five millennia ago and wouldn't you think he'd have painted the gables by now?.

  - they all visit their friends walking over the unfenced meadows carrying baskets of fruit.

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  I don't think Paradise was ever really meant to be held as a reality, even from the WTS point of view. For them, it is just a tool to trigger an emotional response. Notice that for all the children's books they make sure to put in a lot of baby animals - and for the more adult publications they illustrate whole families, often with children. Also, the manner of dress is interesting from a propagandist's perspective. If they really wanted to be *realisitic* they would illustrate humans wearing clothing that could be made with indigenous materials, but instead they show clothes which are obviously manufactured. I think this increases the dream-like aura of imagination in paradise. I think the WTS artists (and their directors) want you to feel like it's a faintly-remembered dream in order for it not to be too real. Thus Paradise remains a tool, a carrot, and not an actual defienite future, because it's the WTS's dream, not anyone elses.
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  JW DECREASE IN AMERICA of 1.07%

  by DannyHaszard in

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  worldwide faith news (press release), ny - 3 minutes ago .

  ... 25. jehovah's witnesses, 1,029,902 members, reporting a decrease of 1.07 members.

  24. the orthodox church in america, 1,064,000 members, reporting an increase of 6.40 percent.

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  daniel-p

  Awesome! When they see an increase they praise Jehoover, but when it decreases they praise him again because He is weeding out the "bad seeds." LOL I love it!
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Rewarded for Promoting Tourism

  by Kenneson in

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  in jefferson county, texas, jehovah's witnesses are listed as one of 20 groups that will share in occupancy tax money to promote tourism-related events and projects.. "christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses, $10,000 bid fee for convention.".

  i suppose their convention will boost the economy by filling up the hotels and restaurants, etc.. see "20 groups divy up hotel occupancy taxes".

  http://www.southeasttexaslive.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16386643&brd=2287&pag=461&dept_id=512589t&rfi=6

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  daniel-p

  Here is a rundown on transit-occupancy tax (TOT) and how a city bidding for a convention comes out ahead.
  1. Bustling City bids $10,000 for JW's to have their convention for 3 weekends.
  2. Each convention brings in 3000 people from out of town (those needing hotels).
  3. 3000 people need 1500 rooms (on average).
  4. 1500 rooms @$60/night = $90,000 x 2 night stays = $180,000 x 3 weekends = $540,000
  5. $540,000 in sales for all hotels involved are taxed 7-11% (tax goes to consumer on top of price of room) - this is TOT.
  6. $540,000 @9% = $48,600
  7. This $48,600 goes to the city where the TOT was generated, and then used (typically) for promoting more tourism.
  As you can see, in this hypothetical case, an initial investment of $10,000 is a very smart move for this city (if the convention managers accept).
  
  This doesn't even take into consideration the benefit of local resaurants, which really like it, and participate in funding various associations which share expenses in promotions and so forth. Of course, the conventioneers do put a burden on infrastructure, like transportation, and this has to be figured into the equation. A big this also, is water - but another fee is usually added on to the hotel bill for this. A lot goes into making sure a city can handle this kind of event, as you can imagine, and there is opportunity for money to change hands and palms to be greased, but is very rare since there are so many people involved and it is a relaitvely exposed process.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Rewarded for Promoting Tourism

  by Kenneson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in jefferson county, texas, jehovah's witnesses are listed as one of 20 groups that will share in occupancy tax money to promote tourism-related events and projects.. "christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses, $10,000 bid fee for convention.".

  i suppose their convention will boost the economy by filling up the hotels and restaurants, etc.. see "20 groups divy up hotel occupancy taxes".

  http://www.southeasttexaslive.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16386643&brd=2287&pag=461&dept_id=512589t&rfi=6

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  daniel-p

  I'm sorry, I must be on crack here... basically cities routinely bid for conventions. THis is in order to reap the transit-occupancy tax that the influx of conventers will bring. In this case, the city is awarding $10,000 to Jehovah's Witnesses - most likely for a series of conventions. This is in order to entice convention managers to bring conventions to cities who need cash (all cities) and have the requisite facilities (centers, hotels, airports, etc). So the cities get TOT tax - but also, the chamber of commerce really wants conventions because more people go out to eat, and spend their money in general. For the society to get this $10,000 is not a big deal - these kind of deals go on everywhere and are completely legit.
  Now, how the society handles that money is a differnt matter altogether.... I have no idea where that money goes. I'm guessing into a kitty which is used for bargaining purposes and expenses related to negotioating sweet hotel discounts.