i have just read a post by think, saying he was physcially abused by jw many times, .
i am sorry if this has ever happened.. is it true or was think just exaggerating since i have read many put down posts from think about jw.. is think trying to extract revenge to them?
or just one bitter person who has been thru many terrible times with in the jw organisation?
I'm sure they probably would Big Tex. Please understand I am not trying to be in any way unsympathetic to abuse victims ( I'm a victim of physical abuse myself)
I'm simply trying to point out the fact that there could be motivations for people to make false allegations.(money, hatred of the Borg, ect.)
i have just read a post by think, saying he was physcially abused by jw many times, .
i am sorry if this has ever happened.. is it true or was think just exaggerating since i have read many put down posts from think about jw.. is think trying to extract revenge to them?
or just one bitter person who has been thru many terrible times with in the jw organisation?
A victim has nothing to gain by lying
I would agree in most cases but in the Berry case the victims are sueing the WTBS for millions. (Not that I'm at all against that.)
i have just read a post by think, saying he was physcially abused by jw many times, .
i am sorry if this has ever happened.. is it true or was think just exaggerating since i have read many put down posts from think about jw.. is think trying to extract revenge to them?
or just one bitter person who has been thru many terrible times with in the jw organisation?
Thank you for sharing Lady Lee. I truly am sorry that you've had such painful things happen to you and it takes great courage to talk about it.I appreciate your candor and willingness to help me.
I am well aware that situations like this happen all the time. I had a girlfriend who had a very similar experience.
I just think that sometimes our anger or hatred or whatever that we feel towards the Org. can cause us to jump on a bandwagon of judgement on situations that we don't fully know about. We can end up looking like the fanatics if we're not careful.
i have just read a post by think, saying he was physcially abused by jw many times, .
i am sorry if this has ever happened.. is it true or was think just exaggerating since i have read many put down posts from think about jw.. is think trying to extract revenge to them?
or just one bitter person who has been thru many terrible times with in the jw organisation?
Carla, I'm not saying that Berry didn't do what he was convicted of. I said I don't know the truth.
What I was trying to get across is the fact that the story you're presented with thru the media is quite different from the story that I experienced being part of it.
I tried to make it clear that I'm not defending anyone just attempting to shed more light on the story.
i have just read a post by think, saying he was physcially abused by jw many times, .
i am sorry if this has ever happened.. is it true or was think just exaggerating since i have read many put down posts from think about jw.. is think trying to extract revenge to them?
or just one bitter person who has been thru many terrible times with in the jw organisation?
This is in response to Blondie citing the Paul Berry case. It is an example that there's always 2 sides to a story.
I know Paul Berry very well. We were friends and he worked for my families construction co. We were next door neighbors for about three years. I was shoveling my driveway when the police pulled up and made the initial arrest.
Now please understand that I'm not trying to defend anyone, for I'm aware that I don't know and will never know the whole truth.
But from what I observed Paul was a loving and caring father. One of his daughters lived with him while he was my neighbor (another one visited on weekends) and both of them displayed an open, natural and loving relationship with him. I never saw any trace of fear or hestation in the girls towards Paul. They were often at my house visiting w/o their father and always spoke very lovingly of him.
Sarah, the girls mother, was always bitter and evasive.(Even while being a pioneer) She turned apostate.(Which is very strange for me to look back on now from this side of the fence) In the process of her leaving, her oldest daughter left with her.(Which is Paul's step-daughter,neither of the two previously mentioned girls) The accusations they brought up were from events that had supposedly taken place when the whole family was still together.(I want to say maybe 6 yrs. prior to the arrest)
Now in the position I was in (as well as many in the cong.) it was hard not to side with Paul. Understanding the history of these people and the path that Sarah and her daughter had chosen it truly seemed as though they were simply angry , bitter people looking to lash out at someone, anyone. Even the story that they presented thru the trial had many discrepancies.
Unfortunately , Paul for some reason didn't take the whole thing very seriously. He had a terrible lawyer.( Almost every witness the defense presented, the judge thru out because they were not properly prepped) He kept telling Paul not to worry because their story would never hold up. Paul was even in field service the day before the sentencing and wasn't a bit worried.He thought for sure he would be acquitted and the whole thing would finally be over.
Another part of this whole thing is that my father was one of the elders who had worked with the family. They were having all sorts of marital problems ect. and the elders were trying to help. I know all of the elders on the committee (the ones now part of the law suit) very well. And while yes they are part of a cult and have even had to expell and shun me , I know that they are good , kind men. All of them, not just my father. I personally don't believe they had any idea as to the events of abuse that were supposedly taking place. I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams, them knowing these things were taking place and trying to keep it under wraps and allowing Paul to be in good standing in the cong. and later appointing him as a servant.
In the midst of the trial Sarah was asked why she didn't report the abuse until years later. She replied that she was not aware of it until her daughter brought it up recently. So she admitted that she didn't even know what was going on at the time and now she's claiming that she had told the elders and they were covering it up. Her own testimony contradicts her current accusations.
It's long and complicated but the bottom line I'm trying to get to is that we shouldn't be to quick to jump on every story against the Witnesses.
There are liars in and out.
are you in a cult and want out?
be on the dr. phil show!.
http://www.drphil.com/plugger/respond/?plugid=9833do you feel you're involved in a cult?
Even if you're not willing to be on the show I think it might be good to fill out the application. The more the producers see the name Jehovah's Witnesses mentioned the more it may get their attention.
And even if no Witnesses appear on the show at least someone will have read the e-mails and be aware. I think any and every opportunity we have to speak out should be maximized.
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- what you think is the worst the wts has done?.
- what doctrine of the wts is the worst?
Not just physically killing- but killing spiritually and emotionally by convincing people that they are rotten sinners in need of their help for salvation. Pounding into followers the idea that their hearts are treacherous and should never trust themselves.
once we determined that the 'truth' was not, there was much more to do in getting deprogrammed.
i have become aware that i have used a few mental games to 'unlock' from the watchtower mindmeld.
cussing.
This is an excellent thread Jeff
losing jehovah was like losing a girlfriend that you loved.
you barely had time to flinch when you found out that she had been sleeping with all your friends and stealing your records to pawn off.
that you had just been another sucker on the vine.. when jehovah dumps you, you start looking at yourself longer and harder, and wondering what it was about him that you found in yourself, until all you see there in the reflection is just yourself, dancing with an imaginary hand and waistline.. when jehovah was gone, and the war was over, i realized that all the things that had made me "good", and "moral", and "hate what was bad", didn't mean anything to me anymore.
I gotta say I never thought of Jehovah that way before but I like it a lot TS. Great metaphor.
I guess I'll see it as every other broken heart that I've had--a device that evolves me to a stronger , wiser , more conscious being.
thanks for the responce i got about hereing my story.. i have never used a discussion forum before, so i just figured out that you responded to my message about hearing my story.. here goes.
but i worn you it's long.. i was raised around the religion, parants baptized when i was seven.
they were very strict, as were the elders in the congregation.
Welcome Witnessscorn!!!
You've come a long way and it sounds like you have quite a bit ahead of you with your therapy and uncovering events from your past.
I hope the best for you. It can be painful peeling away the layers and really seeing just what this religion has done to you. Be brave and trust your own divinity. Your happiness and freedom has just begun!!!!
