Posts by james

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FOLLOW THE MONEY AND COVER THE TRACKS

by belbab in

during the several years of my following the posts on this board, there have been quite a few posts that expressed wonder and curiosity, about how the leaders of the watchtower organization benefit personally from the financial affairs of this organization.

as i read the jwd posts yesterday morning, there were a couple i perused quickly, one was lees, where i learned something new, that the deeds of beth sarim were in .

big wow!

james_woods

I once met Hayden Covington - back in about 1967. We had a young brother (call him Sam) who was facing the draft issue. This guy had absolutely no family in "the truth" but he somehow convinced his mom and dad to not use their very capable family attorney and call in this hired gun from Bethel. After all, he had been before the Supreme Court, right?

The outcome was that Covington grandstanded it up in court and Sammy ending up with the full 5 years for draft evasion. Sam's mom told me that they paid this creep $10,000 for the privileges. Not only that, but Hayden ran off with practically no attention to the appeal in order to lawyer for Muhammed Ali on the same issue.

Covington showed up for one meeting at Oak Glen (OKC) KH ( a Friday night KM + Service meeting) and had enough liquor on his breath to knock down a horse fly. Marion Dunlap told me later that the only other time Covington showed up in OKC was to put a rich old lady's will through probate - naturally to give it all to the society and leave all her real heirs to scrub pots or drive them old trucks or such.

It was soon learned that Covington had been kicked out and DFd. We all assumed that it had to do with the Muhammed Ali deal. I had to face the draft 2 years later and used (guess who) - Sam's family attorney! He was able to delay proceedings long enough for Nixon's draft lottery to kick in and I drew something like #323 and so dodged that bullet.

I think the point here is that along with Beth Sarim, the New York brownstones, the cars, etc...the society and its cronies were robbing its people blind for the good of their elite long before Tammy Faye built that airconditioned doghouse.

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Beth Sarim Deeds and transfers

by Lady Lee in

thanks to apostanator i have received copies of the deeds and transfers to beth sarim.

the pages are not the best quality so i have enhanced them to make sure we can read what they say.

i have scanned them at 300dpi and initially saved them as tif files.

james_woods

I must say that I have a new respect for the Judge - he apparantly had great taste in automobiles and hard licker...

Not just one, but TWO Caddy V16s (during the great depression! LOL). Maybe he really wanted a Duesenberg SJ, but did not want to offend any of the starving friends.

So anyway, if this house cost $55-65K (not counting the land) when a Ford cost $600, what would it be worth today? I would make it about 2.250 million. Maybe not worthy of the Donald Trump, but close!

I also felt such great sorrow to read that he became so distraught over his false 1925 prophesy that he got to drinking more whisky than Winston Churchill and Hank Williams combined...wonder how they procured the 2 cases a week during prohibition?

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WHAT IS QUINTESSENTIALLY ENGLISH?

by Dansk in

jw
friends

this is actually something that fascinates me and i'd like your own opinions on the subject.

i list here things i feel are quintessentially english (with apologies to the scots, welsh and irish as they have their own uniqueness).. first of all, it's got to be a cup of tea (yes, i know it wasn't originally made here, but it has become an integral part of 'englishness').. cup of tea.

cricket.

james_woods

The Jaguar XKE...and driving it on the wrong side of the road

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How Many Of You?

by justsomedude in

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friends

how many of you, when you were an active and zealous jw (assuming you were), were motivated by the paradise idea?

i was basically born in, so i wasn't drawn to the religion, it just was.. the whole idea of the paradise never really exicted me though.

i followed the religion and did what i did because i just believed it was the right thing to do and not so i could obtain the carrot on the end of the string.. how many of you felt the same way?

james_woods

Exactly right (but you already knew Malibu and Monterrey were going to the ex CO and DO crowd).

I saw that Sean Connery SCI-FI movie Zardoz while thinking this type of logic. The little immortal dome community was slowly dying out of boredom and the unwillingness to even grow food or wash their dishes. They had to have an outside supply of unwashed savages to farm for them and serve them. Their punishment for dissention was selective ageing...otherwise they just stayed about 25.

Their final desire became to have the Connery guy let in all the slave savages and kill them to end their misery.

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How Many Of You?

by justsomedude in

jw
friends

how many of you, when you were an active and zealous jw (assuming you were), were motivated by the paradise idea?

i was basically born in, so i wasn't drawn to the religion, it just was.. the whole idea of the paradise never really exicted me though.

i followed the religion and did what i did because i just believed it was the right thing to do and not so i could obtain the carrot on the end of the string.. how many of you felt the same way?

james_woods

To be honest, this was another one of their theories that I never could get a handle on.

There were just too many inconsistencies - was there room for all the people? Who would do the really dirty jobs? Lions can really eat grass like a cow?...What happens when the sun burns out? Would fat chicks come back still fat? If not, would they be like the Stepford Wives? (I know - who cares - we are talking eternity without sex) Even if you had a perfect body which did not get sick, what would keep you from eventually having an fatal accident? (maybe die but instantly get resurrected?) What the hell was the point of just keeping all the good folks around forever in sort of a terrestrial zoo? What would be the point of doing science, medicine, art, etc. if we are so dumbed down that we just farm the fields? Eternal life without MEAT? The BOREDOM?

As Long John Silver said in Treasure Island - "HARRGH - Its them that dies will be the LUCKY ONES"

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What weird things have you read in the bible?

by stillAwitness in

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friends

the fact that nimrod's name means: "he stirred up the whole earth to rebel"

and yet ezra's name means: "help"

what caused nimord's mother to name him something that had such a negative meaning and yet he turned out to be just that?

james_woods

I am kind of partial to the Samson legend - you know; general acts of animal torture, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and heroic suicide. It was kind of OK to have that thing for Delilah the hottie - he was just finding an opportunity to kill the enemy.

Also, Jacob and the pot of stew...who was being the deceptive a**hole here? IMHO - gods chosen one.

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Stupid Rush Limbaugh comment

by Vormek2.8 in

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friends

"how could the dinosaurs have lived in the deserts of the middle east?

he said that about 2 weeks ago.

"i knew they were supposed to have lived in louisianna and texas but i've become skeptical because they want me to believe they could live in the sands of arabia".

james_woods

Maybe he is like that Circuit Overseer I had who thought oil came from squished dinosaur guts. He probably can't figure out how it got under both the Gulf of Mexico and the sands of the middle east.

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The Watchtower transforms people into wussy !

by Genesis in

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friends

hi there, i was just thinking about the whole thing.

when your are raised as a jw you cant have girlfriend or boyfriend and you must "feel that the other are superior than you", you must be very humble.

youve become an socially inadpted wussy.

james_woods

I knew a lot of the younger guys and ladies who did all right for themselves at their janitorial jobs.

You know - pick your cleaning team carefully for those dark abandoned offices late at night...

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Slippers / shoes at book studies

by billyboy in

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friends

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hi everyone!

was there ever an issue as to whether you were / weren't allowed to wear shoes at a group book study in someones house , so everyone had to dump their shoes at the door?.

james_woods

I once saw our City Overseer - (Marion Dunlap) show up for the ministry school in his house shoes. This was because he forgot to put on his meeting shoes. This became a legend in Oak Glen Congregation (Oklahoma City) for many years.

Marion was the brother of Ed Dunlap mentioned in the Crises of Conscience book and an early escaper in the 1980 breakup.

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1975 - serves you right. No extra brownie points sycophants

by Spectrum in

this issue came up with my jw nephew(17).

i jumped at the chance at using it to prove that the org is a fraud but then the focus changed slightly.

i said, "do you know how many people's lives were disrupted by this event.

james_woods

I guess everybody noticed my "fool me once" was kind of dyslexic..(fool me TWICE shame on ME)...

I had one other comment; it goes to the last post on the attitude on this circa 1973. It is true that (at least around Okla City, where I was at the time) the authorities (CO, DO, etc) were already back pedaling on this a year or so before the time came. (Do not speculate, blah blah blah) I think this was the height of hypocrisy on their part. It was sort of like they were already covering a bad football bet by putting some money on the other side when they saw the money line move too much. However, 1975 was pounded upon hard and heavy for a good while as soon as the Bablyon the Great has Fallen came out. It was mostly done in assembly talks so that the printed evidence could be guarded just in case of a mess up. All the other posts here are giving very typical examples.

Then, after the date came that stupid stuff about "we don't know how long it took Adam to figure out sex" (if he was that dumb and still perfect it must have also taken a good creative day or two to name the animals...)

james_woods

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