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  The Missing Issues of the Herald of the Morning Magazine 1877-1878

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.archive.org/details/1878heraldofthemorning.

  http://www.archive.org/details/1879heraldofthemorning.

  http://www.archive.org/details/1874-1876heraldofthemorning.

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  cabasilas

  That's fantastic!!!

  Would you be willing to make them available (either by marketing a CD or otherwise)?
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  The Missing Issues of the Herald of the Morning Magazine 1877-1878

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.archive.org/details/1878heraldofthemorning.

  http://www.archive.org/details/1879heraldofthemorning.

  http://www.archive.org/details/1874-1876heraldofthemorning.

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  cabasilas

  RR, Wow!!!!!!!

  Have you thought about making the missing period of the Heralds (June 1876 through June 1878) available, either scanned (preferably) or in text version?

  Just wondering, are these in a larger tabloid size?

  Russell said in the quotation above:

  Since the paper's change of form, July 1878, this has been omitted. Possibly Bro. B. forgot it, or possibly he thought that the page being small this could be advantageously left out.

  This makes me think the earlier issues (pre July 1878) are larger.
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  The Missing Issues of the Herald of the Morning Magazine 1877-1878

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.archive.org/details/1878heraldofthemorning.

  http://www.archive.org/details/1879heraldofthemorning.

  http://www.archive.org/details/1874-1876heraldofthemorning.

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  cabasilas

  Not as signficant, but potentially interesting would also be issues of The Bible Examiner, edited by George Storrs from this period. I've heard of a couple of collectors who have some of these issues. Storrs died in 1879, but had been editing The Bible Examiner up until then. Russell himself submitted an article to the Bible Examiner in 1876. Again, having these issues available to the general public would be helpful for historical research. But, the most signficant material would be these missing issues of The Herald of the Morning from 1877-1878.
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  The Missing Issues of the Herald of the Morning Magazine 1877-1878

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.archive.org/details/1878heraldofthemorning.

  http://www.archive.org/details/1879heraldofthemorning.

  http://www.archive.org/details/1874-1876heraldofthemorning.

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  cabasilas

  I love history. And as a JW, I was fascinated with their history. While at Brooklyn Bethel (about 1974) I'd spend a lot of time in the Bethel library and the old Gilead library that was in the 107 building. I remember vividly that the Gilead library had a box of old Herald of the Mornings, the magazine that C.T. Russell was affiliated with N.H. Barbour before he started The Watch Tower in 1879. There were several issues in this box, some before they parted company and some afterwards.

  Even though I left the JWs in 1980, I still find a strange fascination with early Bible Student/JW history. About two years ago someone contacted me and said they'd loan me some copies of the Herald of the Morning from 1878 and 1879. I was excited to see these again and to make PDFs of them, even if the print was a bit hard to read. As far as I know these issues had not been made public before. For newbies, these magazines are online in a few places. For example, half of 1878 (from July to December) can be found here:

  http://www.archive.org/details/1878HeraldOfTheMorning

  and half of 1879 (from January to June) can be found here:

  http://www.archive.org/details/1879HeraldOfTheMorning

  Now, some earlier issues of the Herald (text version, not scanned) are online as well:

  http://www.archive.org/details/1874-1876HeraldOfTheMorning

  In the last issue in that collection (March 1876) is a reference by its editor, N.H. Barbour, to C.T. Russell (page 221 of that PDF). Barbour mentions he's out of money and is planning on stopping publishing monthly. Instead, he plans on occasional issues. Of course, we know that Russell, whom Barbour had just met, started pouring money into the Herald of the Morning and financed the publication of The Three Worlds, which was published the next year (1877).

  What happened to the Herald of the Morning between 1876 and 1878? Well, Russell explains what happened in the Supplement to the first issue (July 1879) of Zion's Watch Tower:

  http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbv5/zwt0644.htm

  Br. B[arbour] and I talked over various methods of promulgating these truths and finally decided to travel and preach them wherever men and women would hear, and to thus spend (D.V.) the remainder of the harvest, which we then supposed was three and a half years, and would close in 1878. While I was arranging my affairs, brother B. returned to Rochester to prepare for publication of the "Three Worlds." (We found during the Philadelphia meetings that such a book was necessary to furnish hearers with chapter and verse for what was claimed), and to close up the "Herald" as it could not be properly attended to while traveling, and the suggestion was made that if any new evidences or truths were developed, a paper could at any time be published and issued from any point. In the meantime, to do justice to subscribers and give them reading matter for the remainder of their year, brother B. had parts of the "Three Worlds" book, then on the press, arranged with a heading, "Herald of the Morning Quarterly," which were left with a sister in Rochester to be mailed as they became due.

  So, the Herald was "closed up," but there was a serialization of the Three Worlds book sent to subscribers for a time.

  However, this serialization was only temporary and publication began again. Notice, what Russell says next:

  We, Bros. Barbour, Paton and myself, traveled, lectured, etc., for some months, when it seemed advisable to us all that a paper should go continuously to those who were hearing, thus keeping alive and watering seed sown. This seemed good to us all, and while brother Paton and I continued lecturing, brother B. went to Rochester and fitted up our office, type, etc., for which I furnished the money. The old type, &c., had been sold before we started out, although I know nothing of how much was obtained for it, nor what was done with the money. The paper thus started was essentially another paper but took the same name because we could think of none better or more expressive. That it was a new paper, or had at least undergone a change of management, was witnessed monthly by the heading of its fourth page where it expressly states that it is "Published by C. T. Russell and N. H. Barbour." Since the paper's change of form, July 1878, this has been omitted. Possibly Bro. B. forgot it, or possibly he thought that the page being small this could be advantageously left out. What amount of money I invested in the paper I do not know. Of such things I never keep account.

  So, at some point they started up a regular monthly paper due to all the interest that had been developed. In July of 1878, the format of this paper changed. (This is the first issue we currently have available for 1878.) Based on this, there were several issues of the Herald of the Morning prior to July of 1878 that were not part of the serialization of The Three Worlds. I wonder what are in these issues? This is an extremely important time in the development of the Bible Student movement. As Russell mentioned above, they were expecting the close of the Harvest in 1878. Were there articles that developed that theme? What other signficant articles were published during that era?

  Further indication of issues of the Herald of the Morning earlier than July 1878 can be found in citations in Edward Peter's The Theocratic Kingdom. On page 842 of this PDF (in Volume 2 of Peter's set), he refers to two issues of the Herald that we do not have: June 15, 1878 and August 1, 1877

  see:

  http://www.archive.org/details/TheTheocraticKingdomPetersVols1-3

  I bet these magazines for 1877 and 1878 still exist somewhere. Perhaps in someone's personal collection or in some uncategorized collection in a library somewhere? What a treasure trove these could be for researchers of the early Bible Student movement during this time before "the close of the Harvest"! On a side note, even issues of the Herald of the Morning after the break with Russell (starting with July 1879) would be a significant contribution to the historical understanding as these contain futher information on the dispute between Barbour and Russell.

  Some collectors do not want rare materials to be made public. The benefactor who shared the issues I scanned from 1878 and 1879 insisted on remaining anonymous. This person (not a JW) was concerned that they'd be criticized for making them public. I was just glad that this person did do so. I understand that there's a bit of value on such rare items. Still, making copies available for researchers might not decrease their value. If some issues contain significant material, these could become even more valuable. Issues from 1877 and 1878 written by C.T. Russell, for example, would be worth much more than issues with articles by other early Bible Students.

  At any rate, I wanted to post this information about these missing, significant issues of the Herald of the Morning for 1877 and 1878. Perhaps someone, somewhere, knows of some of these issues. Perhaps someday these other issues could see the light of day and be made available to historical researchers.
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  Transcript of "Answers to Questions About the Last Days" Now Available

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thanks to some transciption work by our own aunt bee, the text of this year's district convention talk "answers to questions about the last days" is now available as a pdf.

  it is linked at the bottom of the page at the internet archive where the audio is also available:.

  http://www.archive.org/details/answerstoquestionsaboutthelastdays.

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  cabasilas

  I remember hearing about that "gap" from about 1975 to 1977 or so. I remember that many started leaving the JWs starting about 1976, however, with some disillusionment over the whole affair.

  I don't remember hearing much about the "gap" after about 1977 or so. I left the JWs in 1980.
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  Mom, JWs and College

  by JWdaughter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, i recently got a job with catholic community services.

  for the second time in the last month or so, my mom made the point that "see, you know college doesn't open every door, you are doing fine without a college degree!

  (i have 2 years, no diploma).. i have been unemployed from a part time job at a newspaper since last august.

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  cabasilas

  Yes, since about 2005 they've really pushed hard against higher education. Most of the anti-education rhetoric is reserved for circuit and district conventions, but some has spilled over into print.

  For some nauseating lectures on the subject, see:

  http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=anti-education
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  Viewpoint from Manager of our local newspaper.

  by worldtraveller in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  everyone here should read this.

  here is the link:.

  http://www2.canada.com/surreynow/news/viewpoint/story.html?id=c4e29752-1dca-4c67-8543-d72da8322aa7 .

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  cabasilas

  Yes, this is what they say outloud. There will be many who will remember the other points in the article and try to suppress the resultant doubts. I know I tried to do that for many years. The doubts seem to disappear but surface periodically. Eventually, when enough doubts start reasserting themselves one either has to face them or start living a double life.
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  Viewpoint from Manager of our local newspaper.

  by worldtraveller in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  everyone here should read this.

  here is the link:.

  http://www2.canada.com/surreynow/news/viewpoint/story.html?id=c4e29752-1dca-4c67-8543-d72da8322aa7 .

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  cabasilas

  One error doesn't invalidate the rest of an article. I remember that JW attitude clearly myself. Problem is, it's a standard that's impossible to uphold and even a standard they are unable to live by. Many JW's are experts in dismissing something because of one error. They're only fooling themselves if they do so.
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  Viewpoint from Manager of our local newspaper.

  by worldtraveller in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  everyone here should read this.

  here is the link:.

  http://www2.canada.com/surreynow/news/viewpoint/story.html?id=c4e29752-1dca-4c67-8543-d72da8322aa7 .

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  Slimboyfat,

  I see your point. Perhaps the writer of the editorial meant "the world [of mankind]," meaning everything in the world's civilizations is less than 6,000 years old?

  True, JWs believe that the earth and the universe can be millions of years old. But, the traditional understanding of the WTBTS is that all animal life date to within 20,000 years ago, during the 5th "creative day." Land animals, according to the WTBTS traditional understanding date from the last 13,000 years, the 6th "creative day." Not too many scientists would hold those dates as verifiable.
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  1985 Kingdom Interlinear Translation--PDF!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1985 kingdom interlinear translation--pdf bookmarked searchable reduced front cover?

  click here: http://www.imagger.com/view/442359_scan-20001.jpg.html download: click the link at the bottom of the next page.

  http://www.sendspace.com/file/iqzeiy cheers!

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  cabasilas

  Great work, Atlantis!! You've outdone yourself!

  For those who want to compare this one with the 69 edition, you can download that one at this page:

  http://www.archive.org/details/WatchTowerBibleandTractSocietyofPennsylvaniaWatchTowerpubs_0

  It's the first one listed under "Other Files"