if the group here was a congregation, what role would each person here play?.
joel
Hello Waiting,
Yep. Still got "issues" and will have them for some time to come. Not to worry however. There are worse things in life. I could be a starving, freezing, Afgahn child waiting for a bomb to be dropped on my head, so i'm not complaining...., that much.
CS
if the group here was a congregation, what role would each person here play?.
joel
I want to be the brother who works his arse off helping all the "friends" in the cong. with broken cars, tall grass, busted plumbing, being mag. servent, territory servent, puketower reader, book study reader, mike runner, etc., and be STRIPPED of EVERY %@#$! *@# responsibility for asking a few "questions" all the while enduring humilating sceens like having the microphone SNATCHED OUT OF MY HAND because I did not know I had that responsibility removed from me!
THEEEEEEN I want to be ignored by selfrighteous pinheads.
Yeah! I'd like to be THAT brother! Right on!
CornerStone
when i was a little lad of 7 years old, my parents would drag me - literally kicking and screaming - to the kingdom hall.
i used to hate it with a vengeance.. it wasn't just the weird language that i detested, but there did seem to be something of an evil aura about the place.
i recall the chap who took my parents bible study telling them that satan was working through me to try to stop them attending meetings.. it was around this time that i started to become fearful of being alone or in the dark.
Hello Englishman,
Just a thought, but your feelings could be a conditioned response from childhood. You already did not like the Kingdumb hall, so you had no good feelings for it. Only other feelings left are bad ones, like fear. The org structure, like all cults, are rooted in secrecy.
Secret meetings, restricted information, top secret info ment ONLY for a few selected drones discussed waaaaay back in the secret inner chamber santum rooms and immediate PUNISHMENT for the inquisitive.
It's no wonder your mother's books could inspire negative feelings. You might be "conditioned" to feel that way. IMHO the simple solution to how you feel is to stay away from those books, or burn them. Either way, the less contact, the better. Take care.
CornerStone
when keeping our place is all important!.
john 11:45-53:.
45 therefore many of the jews that had come to mary and that beheld what he did put faith in him; 46 but some of them went off to the pharisees and told them the things jesus did.
Hello D.W.,
The Borg masters have already made MANY mistakes in their zillion year lifetimes. Their GREATEST mistake, however, was when they PRESUMPTUOUSLY, ARROGANTLY, UNFAITHFULLY, AND INDISCREETLY sat themselves, figurativly, in the "seat of Moses". Instead of being shepherds to the flock of God they became masters over peoples faith, threatening them with punishment if they did not believe every least little dreamed-up fantasy of theirs. [>:(]
CornerStone
here is an excerpt and link to a 1998 "public briefing" conducted by csce, in which "jehovah's witnesses" european activities are made to be the primary focus.. willy fautre, director of human rights without frontiers, and james mccabe from wts legal are the 2 guest speakers.. james pellechia and jim andrik of the wts are audience members who ask leading questions in the discussion session.. the opening statement below gives good background info on csce.. i will also try to post some excerpts from the report.. again, can you picture jesus, paul, or other member of the first century christian congregation appearing before a non-roman controlled governmental body to request their help with the christians dealings with the roman government?
when did any of them ever appear before a governmental body except when they were under arrest?.
deterioration of religious liberty in europe.
Hello MA,
It is quite obvious for anyone to see that the WTS will do ANYTHING to survive, even prostitute themselves out and have "intimate relations" with other organizations "controled by Satan".
In light of the changing world conditions being "no part of the world" has taken on new meaning. But it is going to take a lot of this associating with worldly orgs to get the attention of the R&F JW. Being unprepared, the avarage JW works too hard and is too encumbered by lifes affairs, (including witness bs), for the orgs actions to have THAT much of an impact on their lives. We'll see.
CornerStone
after all the recent events happening around us , i was wondering if any have kept an eye out for the dateline series on the peds in wtbs.. the way it's going this could end up being a mini-series about the "uncovering" of more wtbs lies and deceit.. the un thing sure was a shocker.
can the pedophile issue be any less shocking to the r& f??.
my own sister said she was sure the gb thought it over very carefully before they "joined".
Hello All,
It may be better to air the Dateline show after this terrorism problem because people's sense of danger will be hightened to secret, high-end control groups, like the WTS.
CornerStone
i went to the last day of the circuit assy.
and managed to leave with a few gems.
one had to do with living without a television.
Hello All,
I went to the last day of the circuit assy. and managed to leave with a few gems. One had to do with living WITHOUT a television. This because bad stuff comes on it and we would not want to bring into our homes questionable material, like Dateline episodes.
Others had to do with doing without the internet , associating with non-witnesses , and lots and lots of field service .
But the gem that caught my ear, and everyone elses because it got real quiet and nobody moved, including myself , was how the speaker incouraged those who "self abused" themselves to seek out the help of "those spiritual doctors, the elders". RETCH! RETCH! RETCH! GAK! PUKE! HUPA! BLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Spiritual doctors. Riiiiiiiiight!
Anyway, I thought this guy was nuts! Can you imagine half, or more, of the congregation taking an elder aside and 'fessing up their dirty little secret. But think of the mind job the elders will have done on them knowing soooo many of the cong. have a habbit of too many trips to the bathroom, or closet, or bedroom, or garage, or linnen closet...
Yes, I could just imagine how those meetings would go. I could just imagine.
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VOLUPTUOUS SISTER SO AND SO: "Elder Blah, I have a problem".
ELDER BLAH: "Yes Sister So and so, How can we help you?" (big smile)
VOLUPTUOUS SISTER SO AND SO: "Well, you see (shifting uncomfortably) I have this problem with, um, you see.."
ELDER BLAH: "Yes Sister, you can talk to us". (bigger smile)
VOLUPTUOUS SISTER SO AND SO: "I have this problem with....self abuse". (lowers head)
ELDER BLAH: "Oh, we see. (looks over to Elder Humph with twinkle in eye)
ELDER HUMPH: "Now, Sister So and so, (elder humph sitting straight with serious face) in these matters, we need to know how many times you have done this and, um, was it during the day or night. We, uh, also need to know, um, exactly HOW you went about this self abuse. What you were thinking and what you were feeling we also need to know so we know how to proceed in this matter.
ELDER BLAH: "What you were wearing".
ELDER HUMPH: "Or not wearing".
ELDER BLAH: (Heart racing and crossing legs) "Now try not to feel embarassed Sister So and so, we deal with kind of thing all the time." (big, big smile)
VOLUPTUOUS SISTER SO AND SO: "Well, you see, late at night I get lonely, and since I have no husband I somtimes............... (both bro Blah and bro Humph with legs crossed and leaning over, wide eyed, to hear EVERY WORD of the sisters confession)
Don't laugh. They actually do this!
Or what might a "meeting" with REALY young Brother Someone go like::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
BROTHER GRRR: "Now, we don't have a lot of time Brother Someone so if you could be brief.....
BROTHER SOMEONE: "Well, I told my dad, and he said I should seek the spiritual guidence of the elders and...
BROTHER GRRR: "Yes, yes, go on!"
BROTHER SOMEONE: "Well, this is the second time it happened and I guess, I guess, I got a little worried."
BROTHER GASP: "What did you do."
BROTHER SOMEONE: "I, uh, I, uh, self abused myself. (head lowering)
BROTHER GRRR: "Oh, (eyes rolling up) I see".
BROTHER GASP: "Uh huh".
BROTHER SOMEONE: (Timidly asking in small voice) "Am I gonna get into trouble?"
BROTHER GRRR: "WELLLLLL, (sighing and looking down at bro Someone) I guessss this won't be too bad. Are you repentant?"
BROTHER SOMEONE: "Oh, yes! Yes I am very repentant! I'm realy sorry this happend! (slight sniffle)
BROTHER GASP: "Now, Brother Someone, you have to tell us EVERYTHING that happened. How this led up to this problem". (arms crossed with stern look on face)
BROTHER SOMEONE: "Well, you see, (drying eyes) I was practicing self abuseing my self, and,... oh, I guess Sheri already told you then.
BROTHER GRRR: "Huh? Sheri already told me? Do you mean Sheri, my 12 year old daughter?"
BROTHER SOMEONE: "Yeah".
BROTHER GRRR: "TOLD ME WHAT!"
BROTHER SOMEONE: "Well, you see, she was there helping me and...
BROTHER GRRR: "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!"
BROTHER GASP: "GASP!!!"
BROTHER SOMEONE: "I thought you said I wasent gonna get into trouble!"........
..........and so on and so on it goes. A never ending confessional of morbid stories designed to keep a thick blanket of shame on the R&F to KEEP THEM IN CONTROLL! That what the WTS "spiritual witch doctors" are there to provide. Uck! uck! uck!
CornerStone
i am so pissed off.
i just got home from my father's house.
my husband and i were over there for the evening.
Hello Isis,
The borg religion has a STRONG hold on it's adherents. Take a JW friend of mine. Tried to talk to him about the orgs involvement in the United Nations. He was afraid to think about the implications of the WTS on the back of the "the Beast". So he just smiled and talked about all the "good things" the org has done, yea right!
Since your father and mother want back "in" to the org collective they have to show allegiance to it. If jumping down your throat shows that degree of loyalty then everyone looses except the borg masters.
I think you did the right thing by leaving. Save yourself some grief. There will be better times to reason with him. Like after the Dateline episode.
CornerStone
question to you intelligent jws and exjws.. does the wt, through its knowledge book or whatever, make sure new recruits know who the scarlet coloured wild beast is or disgusting thing is (ie, the un), who is part of the great harlot etc before becoming full blown jws?.
like should new recruits know this off by heart thanks to the rote teaching?.
hawk
Thirdson brought out:
So while the WTS does not on its public sites state that the UN is the image of the wild beast of Revelaton they state that being involved with the social issues of this world (human rights being a social issue) are harmful practices and the UN is a failure. This is not good PR for the UN and the WTS is suppose to use its media outlets to support the ideals of United Nations Org. Do they know about this?
The borg leaders are playing a "typical" game of two faced hypocricy.
By leaving derogatory comments about the UN on their website they are telling the R&F and, realy the world, that they STILL believe the UN is the beast. All this while their NGO status affiliates, or makes them SHARERS in, the work of the great harlot and the wild beast!
These people realy are nuts! Do they realy think that anything and everything they do and say is approved by God? Oh'well. In for a penney, in for a pound I guess.
CornerStone
wow!
someone (ranchett's husband) actually knows her well enough to talk to her directly?
awesome.
Just heard the show. Bet there were a few WT lawyers listening in also. Bill sounded professional and straight to the point. Very good.
CornerStone
