Posts by Shawn10538

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Long Beach Meet-up Sat. Aug. 4 at Coffee Caliente, 12 noon

by Shawn10538 in

address is 55 alamitos av.

in long beach 90802. call shawn at 562-225-5928 if you need any more info.

time is 12 noon, so make sure you are done with return visits by 11:30. maybe put off your donut break so you don't have to stop your time.

Music Buffs-Here We Go Again! Please list your Top 10 Singers of all Time !

by flipper in

jw
friends

this might be a bit more challenging than my guitarists thread and music group thread, but hey we're just havin' some fun here.

it can be rock, pop, blues, country (gag) sorry it's a personal thing for me no offense, reggae, or oldies.

i'll leave it up to you, the board to decide.

Shawn10538

Tony Bennet sings like shit. Always has, but especially now that he can barely breathe.

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Music Buffs-Here We Go Again! Please list your Top 10 Singers of all Time !

by flipper in

jw
friends

this might be a bit more challenging than my guitarists thread and music group thread, but hey we're just havin' some fun here.

it can be rock, pop, blues, country (gag) sorry it's a personal thing for me no offense, reggae, or oldies.

i'll leave it up to you, the board to decide.

1. Jeff Lynne - ELO
2. the chick from October Project
3. Elvis Costello
4. the guy from Magnetic Fields
5. Elizabeth Fraser - Cocteau Twins
6. The chick from the Sundays
7. Meatloaf
8. chick from the Cranberries
9. Michelle Shocked
10. Natalie Merchant

I guess I like female singers

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WHO REALLY WAS PHARAOH WHO DROWNED IN RED SEA?

by badboy in

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friends

pursuing the israelites.. tuthmosis iii/ivn.

amenhotep iii/iv.

ramesses 1/ii/iii.

Shawn10538

PEOPLE! Adults. It is just a myth. IT NEVER HAPPENED. You know this, right? This myth had Summerian origins. See Doane, "myths of the bible in other religions."

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Internal JW Support Group - is it even possible?

by B_Deserter in

i was wondering about how wonderful it would be for those of us still putting on the witness robes but wanting to leave knew other people in our same situation.

i think if you had even 1 friend in the hall you knew didn't want to be jw it'd be a lot easier for both of you to leave.

wouldn't it be great if there was a secret website you could go to and maybe network with other jws on the way out?

Shawn10538

just go to ex-jw meet-ups. You will run into ones you never thought you'd see there. There is one coming up on Aug 4 in LA (long Beach.) email me if you are out this way and want to go.

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for the evolutionists here

by bigdreaux in

i'm taking a break from jwd, but, before i go, i wanted to leave you guys with this.

warning, explicit language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woe7euhdyo

Shawn10538

Great post. Thank you.

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for the evolutionists here

by bigdreaux in

i'm taking a break from jwd, but, before i go, i wanted to leave you guys with this.

warning, explicit language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woe7euhdyo

Shawn10538

Great post. Thank you.

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Seeing Patterns That Aren't There?

by hmike in

in his book, how we believe, religious skeptic michael shermer states "in our complex and contingent world, random events often happen in seemingly peculiar sequences that cry out for meaning.

we usually rise to the occasion, finding patterns in nature even when they do not exist or have no real significance...." a claim somewhat along this line was made in the tv show numb3rs by mathematics professor epps--that people look for, and think they find, patterns in random events.. you can't watch a movie or tv show about crime without seeing detectives attempting to solve crimes by trying to find patterns in a collection of information.

they work backwards from the end result to find links between the pieces of information and possibly back to a cause.. yes, we look for patterns.

Shawn10538

The points that many of you are making can be summed up under the category of a logical fallacy called "After than therefore because of." So just because you pray for a red bicycle for Christmas and get it thereafter, does not mean that it was necessarily God that answered your prayer. We know that your parents went to the bike shop and paid money for your bike and brought it home. Did God induce your parents to buy it. Maybe. But this is where Okhams razor comes in. Basically it says that the simple obvious explanation is usually the correct one especially in light of the fact that there is no direct evidence of any other explanation. Your parents were aware of your desire for a bike and out of the good of their natural heart bought it for you. Or, they happen to know that young boys in general like bicycles, and without any prodding from you, they thought it would be a great gift. No God need exist to make this happen. No one to thank but your parents. End of story as far as Okhams razor is concerned. No need to take it any further than that. To do so would be dividing beyond necessity because we already explained perfectly well exactly why you got a bike without involving an invisible man.
The examples above about anecdotal evidence commit the logical fallacy of "small sample." so, in this case, just because a drug seems to cure cancer in one patient, this does not mean that the drug really cures cancer, even in that one patient. Scientific experimentation needs to take place on a large scale to prove the results of the drug. It won't get approved by the FDA until solid proof from extensive research is done. A good example of this is healing via crystals. I put a crystal in my belly button and after that my ulcer went away. to find out if the crystal really cured the ulcer you must repeat the experience many, many times over and get the same result. A religious person would blindly excuse the results by saying that the person has to BELEIVE that the crystal can heal them before it will really work. This is backwards science, not science or truth at all, but an excuse for not believing an uncomfortable truth that you cannot admit to. BELIEF comes AFTER the proof, not BEFORE. Faith is a way to circumvent the laborious job of proof. Faith in essence is for LAZY PEOPLE who can neither muster the patience to conduct a forensic investigation nor can they deal with the results of solidly tested scientific facts.
The person above, who said basically in the absence of a better theory and proof to the contrary a matter becomes regarded as scientific fact, is in error. Real scientists are very slow to use the expression, "scientific fact." Evolution is a theory based on what we know so far. This does not make it fact in its entirety as a a theory. Aspects of evolution, like the fact that we and things evolve, may be viewed as facts by themselves, but grand theories that explain the larger picture are rarely viewed as facts. In other words, putting all aspects of the grand theory in one box, and believing everything in that box is fact, is not a scientific position. It is ANTI-SCIENCE. IT IS A RELIGIOUS STANCE, typical of religious people who experience one amazing coincidence in their lives and then based on that coincidence they gulp down a whole religious system of beliefs lock stock and barrel. Like people are amazed at how nice JWs are, how they obey the supposed command to preach and how WWI started the same year they said would be the end of the world, so they become JWS based on those loose disparate "facts." They never do the hard research that would expose so many lies by the WTS. They impatiently gobble down the whole story from Adam to Revelation just because a few coincidences were not easily explained in some other way. you might call such a person gullible, lazy, hasty and ignorant as well as a person of great faith. So, faith and seeing patterns everywhere and attributing them to God is a logicall fallacious (untrue, false, PROVABLY AND DEMONSTRABLY FALSE) position to have.
Another point is that alowing the possibility for God brand, Jehovah brand or Jesus brand you must also allow for EVERY POSSIBLE other brand out there, including ones you can make up on the spot, like: the Great Spaghetti Monster, purple people eaters, Martians, Grand Poo-bah Marshmellow God, Itsy Bitsy the Spider God, Pat O'Brian as God and on to infinity. As many as you can come up with, and as they come into existence and consciousness by your inventing them, they simultaneously become equal explanations to the God Brand explanations. So, you can not prove that Purple People Eaters do not exist, even if I tell you that I just made them up just now. For all I know they may have been in existence for all time and it was just a coincidence that I think I invented them just now, OR the fact that I thought of them really was a revelation from them, making me a sort of prophet. God was likely made up as well, by some caveman sitting around the fire at night trying to figure out what those bright lights were in the canopy of heaven. So, if it's a fifty/fifty chance that God either exists or does not exist, 50% goes to God's non existence, and the other 50% is divided between every other possible imaginable explanation out there. So, the Christian brand only recieves an infnitely small number percentage of that 50% because it must share in equal amounts with every other explanation that one might come up with. So again, the percentage of possibility that Christianity brand is the right explanation is infinitely small. Not very likely. Great Post, thank you for bringing it up.

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Have you ever faked a service report?

by Orgull in

it's only my third day here so, go easy on me.

lol.. seriously, my new doubts have made it harder and harder to go in service.

a few months ago, when a new month rolled around, i realized that i hadn't actually gone in service at all the previous month.

Shawn10538

So many times I can't count.

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How could I have been so naive and gullible!?

by Mincan in

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friends

i find out that the "sweetest" girl in the congregation is one of the biggest sluts in town!

she was into me, and here i thought she was sincere in the truth and i never made a move, because i was honourable.. i was so lock, stock, and barrel in this cult, so sincere, it makes me sick.

i didn't realise how two-faced and fake everyone in it was until i left and now all the people out are hanging out with the people in!.

Shawn10538

Never confuse being cute and sweet with being non-sexual. The cutest and sweetest young ladies are just as likely to be promiscuous as young men are. For a reality check, every time you see an innocent looking young lady, picture her with a giant cock in her mouth, some other guys cock, and know that it is a very likely scenario. My cute sweet fiance, Joy Triff, born and raised a Witness and never so much as reproved had eleven sexual partners before I came along, at least two of them married, one a married ministerial servant she carried on with for 5 years. When I hooked up with her, suddenly she wanted to be a saint! Fuck that! she eventually put out, then I get disfellowshipped first time in the sack for me, and she only got reproved privately. WT justice? Remember, women get sex whenever they want. They don't have to beg like men do. The woman decides always. Don't think you are getting points because you "honor" them by not pushing sex. If you don't push sex, then you will become their intellectual whores, friends forever with no benefits while they are out there getting pounded by the "bad boy" that you thought you were being so Good by not being (bad). She'll sleep with someone who knocks her around before she'll sleep with you, the good guy. Then she'll come crying to her best platonic friend for comfort. And even then you are nothing more than a friend.