Dan Wheeler - my pioneer school instructor and he married my brother
Bro. Schlegel - I was young, but he was very popular
Bro. Crist - he was old, defninitely dead now
Bro. Wallen
another guy named Wally (drawing a blank) my pioneer school other instructor)
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To SO CAL: What CO's and DO's do we all know?
by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH inokay, in order it goes like this for me............brother peace 1980-83, brother rose 1984-86, brother yasko 1986-88, brother sekella 1988-91, brother billy ford 1992-95, brother davis 1996-99, brother irskin 2000-03 and then it gets kinda blurry....brother burge and another, brother hairston.
okay, that just about does it.
i have this topic becauce i tried reading the favorite co and do thread, but did not recognize any names......
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News from downunder - the mystery of the falling tower on 9/11
by ozziepost inappearing in our news today is this item which may, or may not, lay the conspiracy theories to bed.
us investigators solve 9/11 mysteryaugust 22, 2008, 8:32 am.
ap [enlarge photo]us investigators say they have solved the mystery of the collapse of world trade centre building seven in the september 11 attacks.. the 47 storey trapezoid sat north of the world trade centre towers, across vesey street in new york city's lower manhattan.. on september 11, it was set on fire by falling debris from the burning towers, but sceptics have long argued that fire and debris alone should not have brought down such a big steel and concrete structure.. scientists with the national institute of standards and technology say their three year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of wtc seven was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper.. "the reason for the collapse of world trade centre seven is no longer a mystery," said dr shyam sunder, the lead investigator on the team.. investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.. the building has been the subject of a wide range of conspiracy theories for the last seven years, partly because the collapse occurred about seven hours after the twin towers came down.
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Wait! Let's not forget. Building 7 collapse has been explained by the article in the original post. Building 7 is no longer in question. Now the question is:
"You heard it right from the Trump man. people are now wondering if all the buildings in the past that have tumbled down at angles are actually the buildings that were demo'd. Yes that is right. Apparently all conspiracy theorists are changing their tune. They no longer believe building 7 was demoed thanks to this fine convincing article above. Now they believe that the real conspiracy is all the buildings that have ever fallen for any reason in all of history. "
You see, the conspiracy is much larger than 9/11. Now it involves every fact we ever thought we knew about physics. Apparently, there is something about falling buildings (recently called a new phenommenon by "mainstream" physicists, seriously, they actually call Bldg. 7 the first of a new phenomenon, ask W.A.C. for the reference on that one) that causes them to always fall straight down any time there is a minor fire at any random spot in the building. We have been wrongly expecting buildings to fall unevenly for milleniums, when all we have to do is light a fire and PRESTO! it comes straight, straight, straight down, like a beautiful snowflake on a windless day. In fact, now buildings are even known, according to this new phenomenon, to pirouette before resting gently on their own foundation.
So, get with the times already. Isn't it obvious that the real conspiracy is the belief that when Godzilla wacked a building from the side, the building would tip over in reaction to force being applied at 90 degrees. In reality, it just doesn't matter how, from what direction or how hot of a fire is in a building, BUILDINGS JUST SIMPLY NATURALLY FALL PRECISELY IN UPON THEMSELVES LIKE GENTLE LOTUS FLOWERS AND NIGHT LILLIES. Never fear during an earthquake that a building will fall on top of you. It is now established fact that buildings only fall straight down in perfect harmony with laws pf physics. straight down at the speed of freefall everytime, no exceptions.
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BETHELITES - Whatever Became of?
by Black Man ini often times wonder what happened to certain bethelites that i ran around with during my 1990s tenure there.
while there are still a few left there, the greater majority of them aren't there for various reasons (marriage, disillusionment, left the borg, etc).
a couple of cats i wonder about - there was one brother who i believe was from kansas, who got his fingers cut off in a printing press.
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I called WTFarms the other day and used a scottish accent so I could talk to some old buddies and hear their voices etc. I first spoke to Matt Oleman, who was in the mailing dept. with me for a few years. Matt was a serious smart ass, one of the funniest people I have ever known. He was such a clown, but if you argued with him he would decimate you until you felt like jumping off a building. He was the one who was "my match" in criticism wars and making fun of people. His repolies were just pure acid. So, in one instant, after tangling with him, I swore off of all sarcasm. I never challenged him again and we became pretty good friends I guess. Then one day, to the shock of everyone in the dept, he was given some responsibility. Then the clown turned into a company man over night! Those bastards kill every bit of fun in a person. They essentially killed Matt Oleman.
Later on he married a freakin MODEL, Sienna is her name. Geeze, she's like one of the most beautiful women I had ever seen. Totally jealous, every guy was. He was accepted to stay at Bethel after they married. So he's got choice p***y, 3 regular meals and a steady job, shelter, etc. His family supports him there. Why leave?
His voice the other day sounded so dull and zombie-like. I made up a story as to why I was calling him and that I had some questions for him. He just gave me a programmed response, followed the rules and policies perfectly. I just wonder how much of him is still in there. He was always on the edge, doing fun stuff, breaking all the rules. We would talk about all the contraband we had there at Bethel, demonic CDs, devil worshipping bands, sexually explicit music, heavy drinking, smart ass comments about what the GB is currently saying, going to clubs and concerts, parties, making fun of other Bethelites including the GB, cussing, talking dirty, talking about sex, cussing, lying or otherwise torturing the home overseer, practical jokes...
Now, with his incredibly bright mind and intelligence, he is still in the shipping dept. at WTF. He could have gone to college and been doing anything now. Instead he is in a nowhere job, has no skills, and no money I'm guessing. If he were dismissed he might have a tough go of it.
Where is the old Matt Oleman? I miss him. I hope you snap out of it one day dude, then we can have some more insult wars and laugh our asses off like we used to about stupid sh*t.. I think I might beat you now, I'd sure like to try. i would love to smoke out with you now and talk about old times. I'm pretty sure you'd be one of the funnest people on the planet to get high with! Give me a call one day if ou ever read this.
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BETHELITES - Whatever Became of?
by Black Man ini often times wonder what happened to certain bethelites that i ran around with during my 1990s tenure there.
while there are still a few left there, the greater majority of them aren't there for various reasons (marriage, disillusionment, left the borg, etc).
a couple of cats i wonder about - there was one brother who i believe was from kansas, who got his fingers cut off in a printing press.
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i'm surprized I haven't met anyone here who knew Tilden Berger yet. I think I posted about him on another thread too but didn't get any response. He was at Brooklyn for 6 or 7 years, from like 1977 to 1982. Then he was at the Farm until I met him in Pioneer school in 1988. He was a major influence on me going to Bethel.
I considered him my best friend for some time. When I came back from Bethel we hung out for a bit, and he was actually renting my parent's apartment in the house I grew up in. Unfortunately my family is ruthless bastards when it comes to business. They are downright mean, and they ended up totally illegally evicting Tilden with no notice, or insufficient notice at least. It was a messy business.
Anyway, I lost touch with him until I left the org (the second time) in 2004. I called him and he said that he couldn't talk to me and "those are the rules." He isn't a Witness anymore and sounded really angry and bitter. What I didn't understand was why, even after I told him I was no longer a Witness myself, he still didn't want to talk to me. In fact I called him again a few weeks later and his girlfriend? answered and she asked that I just not call anymore. I didn't understand why and I still don't.
But, Tilden, I miss you man. You were always a great buddy. I always took your side even when my family was pressuring me to not associate with you. You were a good friend to me in good times and bad. I would be a friend to you now if you would let me. I hope you are OK and happy. The Borg ***ked us all up, lied to us and stole years of our life. I know the feeling of not wanting to have anything to remind us of the cult around us. But, if you ever want to talk again, I sure would love to hear from you. I would be a much better friend now than I ever was then - I promise.
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News from downunder - the mystery of the falling tower on 9/11
by ozziepost inappearing in our news today is this item which may, or may not, lay the conspiracy theories to bed.
us investigators solve 9/11 mysteryaugust 22, 2008, 8:32 am.
ap [enlarge photo]us investigators say they have solved the mystery of the collapse of world trade centre building seven in the september 11 attacks.. the 47 storey trapezoid sat north of the world trade centre towers, across vesey street in new york city's lower manhattan.. on september 11, it was set on fire by falling debris from the burning towers, but sceptics have long argued that fire and debris alone should not have brought down such a big steel and concrete structure.. scientists with the national institute of standards and technology say their three year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of wtc seven was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper.. "the reason for the collapse of world trade centre seven is no longer a mystery," said dr shyam sunder, the lead investigator on the team.. investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.. the building has been the subject of a wide range of conspiracy theories for the last seven years, partly because the collapse occurred about seven hours after the twin towers came down.
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"Hopefully this thorough report puts to rest the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, which dishonour the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day," said Silverstein spokeswoman Dara McQuillan.
In discussing the findings, the investigator Sunder acknowledged that some may still not be convinced, but insisted the science behind their findings is "incredibly conclusive".
"The public should really recognise the science is really behind what we have said," he said, adding: "The obvious stares you in the face."
I love it! First of all, we should feel ashamed of ourselves for "noticing" that the building fell in exactly the same manner that a controlled demolition would have it fall, including the feature of the "classic crimp" which indicated that the central supports for the building all simultaneously collapsed together in one instant before any of the outer supports collapsed. Ignore this why? Because it dishonors the firefighters that gave their lives. Not because it isn't true mind you, but we all must not speak the truth if it might dishonor the men and women who lost their lives. Exactly what does that have to do with anything?
Also, "the droids you are looking for are not here, you should look elsewhere for the droids," (hand waving back and forth in front of face in a spooky manner.) This statement equals the statement above: "The public should really recognize that the science is really, really, really, behind what we have said. I mean really guys. Come on. Just really really believe that the science is supporting us. Seriously dude, I'm like not kidding. Did you hear me? I said the word science! you are supposed to look all glassy eyed when I say science. The droids you are looking for is a small fire on a couple of floors. There was no "classic crimp" that is identical to every single demolition ever performed on earth before. Believe me please!"
I mean, I'm surprised buildings have never fallen like this before. I guess all buildings that catch fire from now on, starting on 9/11 are in serious danger of collapsing straight down without even touching the buildings beside it. This is good news because, from now on, when we see a building on fire next door, we don't have to evacuate the building we are in even if it is flat against the building on fire.
You see, evolution has finally caught up with physics in that now, things will always fall perfectly straight down inspite of external factors. So if the building is next door, just stay where you are and you will be perfectly safe. In fact you can stand right on the sidewalk in front of a falling building and be confident that the building, no matter why it is falling, will not harm you. It will fall exactly 3 feet in front of you.
Big news on the job market today! building demolition experts all over the world have been fired from their jobs! That's right folks. Thanks to the revelation of building 7 on the world of physics, all previous 8 yeAR ENGINEERING PROGRAMS have been terminated. Now savvy building owners are just hiring janitors to start a couple of fires in random locations to do the job of a flawless demolition.
It seems that all these years we have been paying demolition companies millions of dollars to make sure a building falls exactly straight down, we were being scammed! That's right, and this is turning the business world on its ear. Demolition companies world wide are shutting down and going into the gambling business.
Donald Trump is quoted as saying, "Gee, I've demoed a lot of buildings in my time, but when I saw building 7 fall flawlessly onto itself scarcely raising dust, I immediately fired all my demo people. I guess we've just been wrong all along about physics and how buildings fall. From now on, buildings can only fall straight down upon themselves with out 8 years of studying engineering to do it. I personally am suing all my demo companies and am going to ask for all my money back. Even a child could perfectly and flawlessly demo a skyscraper apparently. Engineers, what hacks!"
You heard it right from the Trump man. people are now wondering if all the buildings in the past that have tumbled down at angles are actually the buildings that were demo'd. Yes that is right. Apparently all conspiracy theorists are changing their tune. They no longer believe building 7 was demoed thanks to this fine convincing article above. Now they believe that the real conspiracy is all the buildings that have ever fallen for any reason in all of history.
You see, a group of secret societies have bombs in all old buildings in the world. When an earthquake or fire occurs, the secret society knows that nature itself would have the building fall precisely on top of itself even stacking bricks, tiles and laundry on pallets so as to minimize property damage. In fact if we were to let nature alone deal with falling buildings, it would actually levitate the building for just long enough for people to escape before it falls perfectly into dumptrucks headed for the nearest landfill. It is apparently only when humans interfere that buildings fall in random, uneven or non perpendicular ways.
All these years we thought buildings were being demoed by learned professionals, it was actually God's wise design in nature that was doing it and people were taking credit for it! Then people started demoing all the worlds buildings during earthquakes to start the rumor that nature responded to certain physical laws that would cause buildings to fall in less than perfect manners. Thank god the field of demolition has taken its last customer!
Now we must band together and get all the bombs out of buildings so the next earthquake, 9/11 or fire will only cause a building to fall straight down perfectly, flawlessly like nature has designed.
Another issue that comes up is how fire causes buildings to melt and fall in the perfect manner that we described too. It seems that we have also been scammed by the fire dept. That's right folks! You see, any time a fire breaks out, even if it is just in a small trash can in a small building, the building will instantly dissolve and fall in perfectly stacked ways. This is nature. But firefighters back in the days of the Pharoes thought that people couldn't handle the real true laws of physics, and we weren't able to ever build a building that would NOT fall at the mere strike of a match. What to do?
The Pharos in their wisdom actually came up with a psychedelic drug that counteracts ones senses as soon as a fire starts. So, those of you who have ever struck a match indoors, is guilty of causing their house to fall. But then the drug kicks in and disenables you from seeing the true results of any and all fires. Most people's homes were actually destroyed decades ago and they have been living in a delusion for years. Entire cities actually don't exist. All the buildings have fallen. In fact building 7 already fell years ago and hasn't existed since the early 90s. So what did we see on 9/11?
Well, the highjackers developed another drug to counteract the one we've all been drinking in tap water all these years. So, even though building 7 hasn't existed for over a decade, when fires broke out in the imaginary building 7 that day, and the drug called "nature of fire suppressant" was neutralized, we began to see what really happens to all buildings when small fires break out.
The foregoing statement is 100% the truth. Building 7 was the first building to ever fall exactly as nature made it fall. Now, all buildings from now on that catch fire will fall in the same way, just so long as no unscrupulous demo people plant their "nature disrupto bombs" to make it fall unevenly.
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Bible study with PO/sister and wife, did not go well......
by insearchoftruth inlast night....did not go well at all, at least in my opinion.
i feel that the sister from her conversations with my wife started on a quite defensive mode....did my best to stay level headed, but i know there were times i was frustrated, and it showed.. .
the husband and wife were about 40 minutes late, due to traffic, and they were not prepared to discuss michael/jesus, and with respect to the doctrine change, he merely provided me a 1995 and 1997 wt article, when he and i spoke on the phone, he said he was going to show me in the bible, he sort of danced around this a lot, but not to my satisfaction.. .
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I am in agreement with Willylowman. I have PMd you much of my thoughts and Willy here has touched on my same thoughts but put them more simply and straight forward. It is time to get serious and take drastic measures. You are clearly spiraling downward in this. You are losing and way out of control. I don't personally feel you have the resources to beat this on your own, or the experience. It is time to get REAL help on this, not just advice from the internet. I suggest laying down cash for an exit counselor as the #1 best suggestion. If you can't afford it, work out a face to face series of meetings between your wife and some very experienced ex JWs.
Another tool, that I can't believe I didn't mention yet is the amazing book 'Captives of a Concept." Buy it. Use it. DO NOT VEER FROM IT. Take it one step at a time. Don't move on to the next step until your wife has a firm grasp on the meaning and relevance of each argument. The book can be easily understood by even children and that is what makes it so powerful.
Also, drown your wife in affection. Make her feel like it is your honeymoon. Lavish her with gifts, trips, lots of trips and weekends away from the witnesses. Take her to her favorite concerts on Tuesdays and Thursdays, or favorite restaurants especially on meeting nights. Start coming on to her right as she is getting ready for the meetings. Explore her every interest that is non JW. Make her head spin with ecstacy and intense courting. Don't you know that JWs are love bombing her right now? You must up the anty to compete with her affections or she is lost to you.
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BTTFnTMFs!
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Best JW tall story/variations of it?
by KW13 indont just list one, list them all so we can laugh because in all honesty i can't believe we believed some of them.
for example, i was told annie lennox stopped a concert to ask if there was any jw's in the audience, and if there was could they leave as they were stopping the demons getting through...is this even remotely true?
did annie lennox ask the jw's in the audience to move because they were stopping the snack lady getting through...and it got twisted through chinese whispers.... the other day (i felt sick) one witness was banging on about how amazing it was that the watchtower society's building was the only one standing still...wtf...my stepdad responded with a 'wow thats amazing' and the first brother was like 'yeah i know'...grrrrrrrrr aaaaaaaah screaaaaaaaaam .
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There are versions of these stories, for instance the one about 2 angels protecting a woman and another godless woman getting the shaft instead, told by other religions as well. I just heard the one mentioned in the last sentence told on TBN by a preacher, so I wonder if it really was started by Witnesses.
My parents told me that doctors found a gallon of semen in Rod Stewart's stomach. Is that the one?
Smurfs getting up and saying, "I'm getting outta here!" and walking out the KH door. (I wonder where they went next, the pub?)
Demons strangling people, sitting on their chests suffocating them etc.
A voodoo witch in Haiti that drew a line and told a Witness that if he crossed it his head would fall off. So the Witness crossed it anyway and nothing happened. The voodoo man was purplexed so he crossed it too to check if the line was funtioning properly but then his head fell off instead. Apparently he was not too good at trouble shooting his spells. (I heard that one at Bethel actually.)
A missionary, in Africa of course, went to sleep without her net around the bed. When she woke up, there was a rat on her chest jumping up and down and nipping at her forehead (she was lying on an incline perhaps?). Of course she freaked out, jumped up and started screaming. Then she realized why the rat was jumping up towards her head. Her entire head was covered with roaches. After that she went insane and had to leave missionary service. (Told to me by the same brother who told me the head falling off one.)
An elder went to call on a family experiencing demon problems. The elder stood at the front door with the Bible and yelled at the top of his voice, "In the name of Jehovah I command you to leave this house and never return." At that all the books in the house began flying off the shelves. Books flying off shelves. Always books flying off shelves for some reason. Demons just love to knock books off shelves. Then the door flew open and came off its hinges, screen flapping and such. It was the demons leaving the house without closing the door, uncooth bastards. -
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YOUTUBE VIDEO: Phonecall to the Watchtower regarding the Williams sisters
by kool aid man06 inrick fearon calls the watchtower concerning the tennis superstars venus and serena williams in this two part youtube video.. http://www.youtube.com/araretreat.
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Sounds like WAEOnce is just worried Rick's viceos are going to get more attention than his. A little competition never hurt nobody Truthbookblues. But hey, I like your videos too. Keep it up!
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my wife made me go to this yrs convention still the same crap
by mattbetrayed inwent the covention last two days why you ask me have a wife who thinks we should they are still saying they are the only way really hate the net iwounder why because god shows us that they are evil a cult who try to say they are not i heard them tell young people that to try and get an education was wrong be a pioneer etc that got me no were iam now a nurse and helping people like god would do i am so worrided because they are so far removed from god ,it is untrue that they want to help they only want those who can give money lets face it they are well loaded have lots of money just sold lots of brooklyn oh god must have told them to tell me am i wrong i love god it is time these guys went they lie simple
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Matt, while you are out shopping for punctuation, don't forget to pick up the pants in the family from the cleaners and also your balls, wherever you left them. "Wife made me?" How pathetic! Personally I am sick of all you "staysinitforthewife" types. Not only is it dishonest, but it is cowardly. Your marriage is a sham, so why do you keep it up? Is the *ussy really that good? Be a man (or woman) and take a stand. That should be the title of the next apostafest convention.