Just for fun I want to show up one day saying, "Obey the Watchtower! Obey the Watchtower!" I wanto to get some professional quality make-up. I want to carry a human head with cauliflower as brains and be saying "I eat brains! I am the Watchtower I eat brains!" It would be cool to have several zombies mulling about. Then we can act like there is an invisible electric fence at the line of ministerial servant attendants. In my head it sounds hilarious.
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Anybody interested in being a zombie at long Beach conventions?
by Shawn10538 injust for fun i want to show up one day saying, "obey the watchtower!
obey the watchtower!
" i wanto to get some professional quality make-up.
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Steven Unthank is a true HERO
by Shawn10538 ini just got done listening to hsi interview on six screens.
if any of you have any doubt about his motives and the greatness of his heroic actions, listen to the entire interview.
it is more than 3 hours long and i believe he addresses many concerns some here have had.
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And Dylan is an over rated copy artist. being produced by Jeff Lynne was the only moment in his career I give a fart about.
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Steven Unthank is a true HERO
by Shawn10538 ini just got done listening to hsi interview on six screens.
if any of you have any doubt about his motives and the greatness of his heroic actions, listen to the entire interview.
it is more than 3 hours long and i believe he addresses many concerns some here have had.
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I challenge Band On The Run to come out from behind his computer and stand for something. Every post I have read from him he just puts people down. I'm calling him a pu$$y. What's your name Band On The Run? Steven Unthank is man enough to go by his real name, and that was befor ehe ever did anything. You know my name. If you had an ounce of courage and were a real man you would be able to stand toe to toe with me. But you can't and you won't. I;m calling you out. Be a man or shut up. Now go PUSS out like you always do.
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Watchtower Doctor on Blood
by Marvin Shilmer inwatchtower doctor on blood.
today i added a new article to my blog about a newly published book containing a chapter on jehovahs witnesses.
what makes this chapter interesting is that its written by a licensed doctor who is one of jehovahs witnesses.
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That is just sick. And who the hell published that? John Hopkins? What are we doing wrong in fighting this doctrine that we can't educate one of the most famous medical institutions on gthe planet? This is a good time to start DOING something about it. Get out there, give blood in the name of Jehovah's Witnesses. Write this piece of $#it and tell him what a whore he is. Join AJWRB forum and start volunteering for this cause. Ask me how.
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Davy Jones dead at 66
by undercover insure, the monkees were a pre-fabricated band, but their influence was still immeasurable.
especially mike nesmith.. .
rip davy.... .
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Some of my earliest memories are of watching the Monkees on TV. I've had their albums, seen them live. I've always loved them. I'm very sad. All my rock heros are dying. We'll miss you Davy. Thanks for all the fun times and great music. Peace.
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You would return to Jehovah's Witnesses if...
by Shawn10538 insomeone else suggested this so i just figured, ok let's do it.. 1. all present jws died and i became the sole leader of the entire religion.
2. then i would dissolve the religion and burn every last memory of it ever existing.
3. all books would be burned, all buildings destroyed.
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someone else suggested this so I just figured, OK let's do it.
1. All present JWs died and I became the sole leader of the entire religion
2. Then I would dissolve the religion and burn every last memory of it ever existing
3. All books would be burned, all buildings destroyed
4. all WT lands including all Kingdom Hall land would be disced and returned to the natural state of local geography and be dedicated open space that can never be built upon or developed ever again for all time. all indigenous plants would be restored.
5. Once a year parties like Burning Man would be held on former JW land, including all houses by the now dead JWs, and we , the exJWs will get together and party, take lots of psychedelic drugs and dance around camp fires, do drum circles, and burn effigies of WT symbolism and laugh our heads off about how stupid the whole religion was and vow to never make up religions again.
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History of 1914 date
by robB infrom the small amount of research that i've done i've found the following points:.
charles russell was the author of the prophecy that christ returned in 1914in an earlier period of his life russell promoted the idea christ had returned in 1874, which was originated by another man named nelson barbourat both times, christ was said to have returned invisibly (does anyone remember the story of the emperor's new clothes)russell used some measurements from inside of the great pyramid of giza to bolster his calculation for 1914, which was rooted in the cobbling of bible passages dealing with the fall of jersualem, the times of the gentiles and nebuchadneezar episode of madness (7 times)am i missing anything?.
i'm trying to show a friend in the organization that all of this is a bunch of baloney.. .
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Your first bullet point is wrong, as others have already said. While CT Russel was still alive, Christ's return was still in 1874, first physically and then when that didn't pan out invisibly. It wasn't until after CTR's death, many years after, that somebody came up with 1914 as the return of Christ.
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Those who still show up at the meetings, How do you manage?.
by Mr Facts infor those who still show up at the meetings, how do you manage?.
do you still offer comments and how do you actually muster up the boldness to gave talks and still do all of those craps?..
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I dopn't know if the problem can be summed up by some false analogy. That's the way JWs think they win arguments, by presenting some analogy and creating a false dicotomy and then nailing you down by saying, for example, "So what is more important, obeying God's command to abstain from blood, or saving your physical body which God can restore? Huh? Which is it? Obey God, or save your physical life?" Real life is not an analogy. And no two things are exactly alike, so no situation in life can be summed up with an analogy.
But this is the great debate among ex-JWs isn't it? How to fade. How to escape. how to get our family out after we have invested a lifetime indoctrinating them with lies.
People who stay in and keep going to nmeetings often cite "peace in the family" as their primary value. My sister Patti, who is gay, still goes to meetings and pretends to be a JW when our parents are visiting often cites her great ability to keep the peace.
But what is more important to you, truth or peace? everyone has to make a stand for one or the other in a JW situation. Maintaining peace requires many many lies. Everytime you go to a meeting thinking in your head what total crap the whole thing is you are lying to everyone. When your kid asks you where we go when we die you lie to them. When your kid asks you if they should get baptised you lie to them. when your wife asks you how you liked the meeting you lie to her. But you keep the peace that way.
I think it's sort of the same case as when, to use an analogy, a man cheats on his wife. As long as she doesn't know there is peace. once she finds out the marriage would be over. Or if your wife cheats on you, do you want to know? Maybe your kid isn't really your kid. As long as you don't know everything goes on as usual and there is peace. But when you find out you may tell her it was selfish of her to tell you about it. Maybe you would rather not know.
But some people feel a fire within them that will not let them have peace in their minds until they tell their mate they have cheated. So they tell to purge themselves of the sin and they hope for forgiveness. But that often ends the marriage no matter what.
But if truth is more important than peace, you will stand up and shout the truth from the mountain tops and you won't care whop you hurt. There is a certain amount of respect a person who lives life forthrightly can feel for themsleves. but often the people around such a person are resentful because he smashed all their dreams. they were happy sleeping and dreaming and he came in thrashing about the place. then everybody hates everybody.
But I have found that in coming out against the Jws in the brash, harsh way I did, I lost everyone who was a JW. But now I have other frioends that are made of different stuff. I can tell them just about anything: I look at porn - oh yeah? so what? I was arrested once. Oh yeah" Who cares? Or whatever. Those are just two examples I came up with not an admission of doing those things. But my point is, my friends now are COOL! They are just straight up COOL. They are the COOL crowd, and I can talk with them about anything and they are very non-judgmental. Most of them are religious in various ways, some are non religious. One thing I can say about my current circle of friends is that I met most of them in college so they are all educated formally. I think that tends to make people more liberal. It also makes them more interesting to talk to. I'd sell my family members down the river before I'd give up my present friends. My friends ARE my family. And I found out that my family members are not nice people. They are all hateful and pious and proud. They are not loving. They are not smart. Thgey do things like: the one group of people they are non-judgmental about are child molesters, child molestation and incest being rampant in my immediate family - none of the sex criminals were ever brought to justice properly. They stand on corners pushing magazines, they don't celebrate holidays, they have an air of superiority, they look down on the whole world of non JWs, they'd let their children suffer horrible pain to avoid a simple blood transfusion, they are boring people, they don't do ANYTHING but go to meetings, read WT stuff and go out in service... that's their whole life, they can't think for themselves, they are not well read, not critical thinkers... Just YUK all the way arpound. Not people I would choose to hang out with basically. So as the years go by and I get over the grief of losing my mother who I loved dearly and my brothers and sisters and father, well, I see it now as no great loss. I consider them the dregs of society and I am glad to be rid of them. My life is so much better now. I've cried it all out and now I can finally say I have no regrets, well a few regrets, but on the whole, they just aren't worthy of my love. thye proved that. And they don't love Jesus like I do.
I call it a win win to have left that religion. And they'll never forget it either. I left and turned over tables and knocked down doors and wrecjed the place as I went out - figuratively speaking. I burned it all down. They'll never change. They'll never leave unless a few more members go out the way I did. The family now is so fractured anyway. Even all the JWs aren't talking to one another. Everybody hates everybody else. The non JWs, myself and my brother are the only ones talking to one another.
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Those who still show up at the meetings, How do you manage?.
by Mr Facts infor those who still show up at the meetings, how do you manage?.
do you still offer comments and how do you actually muster up the boldness to gave talks and still do all of those craps?..
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I wonder if some of us were parents of older children in a situation where let's say, your son was attending meetings even though he didn't believe in it any more, in fact was philosophically opposed to the religion believing it was a harmful cult, and there were gransdchildren involved. Would you sit your son down and say, "Son, I am proud of you for playing this game and not speaking your truth boldly in the face of opposition." Or would you say, "Son, I always raised you to speak truth to all men, but especially your wife and your children. you must set a good example for your children and show them how to stand up for what they believe in even when it is the hardest thing to do. don't play their game son. Have integrity. Be a man of honor, not a man of deception."
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Those who still show up at the meetings, How do you manage?.
by Mr Facts infor those who still show up at the meetings, how do you manage?.
do you still offer comments and how do you actually muster up the boldness to gave talks and still do all of those craps?..
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When I returned for a few months at the behest of my fiance' I would have to take at least two walks around the neighborhood during the meetings. I told everyone my back hurts and I needed to stretch my legs. Somtimes I went out and had dinner at the Salvadorian restaurant accross the street. sometimes I smopked pot in the car just so I could stomach all the shit I'd be swallowing when I went back into the hall. My fiance' would give me this look like, "I know where you've been! you don't have a back ache." But sitting through those meetings was torture. Absolutely unbearable. I couldn't imagine going back. Just the dumbest collection of people I could imagine. Their dumbness was actually apparent on their faces. They may as well have had a big tatoo on their forehead that said, "I AM DUMB." Everybody seemed to have slobber running down their faces too. Thaty much slobber I have never see in one place. Drool literally falling, dripping off the lower lip of every single person. Except for the infants. They didn't drool. They were asleep.