Posts by saturdaymorningblues

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Is Being A Jehovah's Witness a Mental Disorder?

by Amber Rose in

frequently i have seen the subject of borderlind personallity disorder mentioned on this board.

many people here feel that friends or relatives display many of the charactaristics of the disorder.

people with histories of abuse seem to be drawn to this religion.

saturdaymorningblues

first of all i thank you for responding to my post..and i agree it is long!

second thing is i too suffer from depression, my depression stems from the anxiety disorder i have.

ive had it since childhood, i'm 40 years old now so its been a long term problem and if i am honest i do question the things the bible tells us about jehovah but deep down i have a feeling that jehovah is true.

thirdly i am still at the bible study stage so i am not yet babtised.

i dont know if i will ever qualify for babtism because i'm still trying to fear jehovah.

that is something i dont find easy as ive never feared him before.

as for destroying lots of people, well the way you put it it sounds like you think jehovah is bloodthirsty...well i can assure you he isnt.

the bible says he takes no delight in the death of wicked people.

also jesus said that there is more joy in heaven when a wicked person repents.

also remember the story of jonah?

how god told him to warn the people to repent but jonah ran away and was swallowed by a whale and then spat out on dry land.

then he started to suffer from the heat and jehovah showed mercy and made the bottle plant grow from the ground but the next day it died and jonah started to complain and jehovah taught him a lesson in that if he showed jonah mercy, why shouldnt he do the same for all those people?

that doesnt seem like a bloodthirsty god to me.

also before he brought the flood in noah's time he told him to preach to the people so that they might repent but they didnt.

therefore is it unreasonable on jehovah's part to have brought the flood without giving people a chance?

no it isnt unreasonable, in fact it showed that he didnt want to do it but the people left him no choice.

every single day jehovah is giving each and everyone of us a chance to repent because he knows that this time there will be no second chance and wouldnt you agree that our planet is in a terrible condition?

so much crime, suffering etc etc.

does jehovah not urge people to be good?

does he not urge children to obey their parents?

did the apostle paul under divine inspiration not urge people to return evil to noone

but instead to keep conquering evil with good?

are those not positive loving things?

and who inspires them?

is it not jehovah?

who has given us the planet to live on filled with food and animals and beautiful flowers etc etc?

it is all from jehovah.

does not imperfect parents rent a home in which their children can live?

do they not fill it with good things for themselves and their childrens benefit?

if that is so, then our heavenly father did all those things for us first.

no wonder revalations says that you are worthy alone jehovah to recieve the honour and glory even forever because it was your will that everything exists.

is that not true?

what parent on earth does not owe thanks to jehovah?

remember too that jehovah had only good things in store for humans when he created the earth.

he commisioned adam and eve to sudue the earth and take care of it and to be fruitful and become many.

in other words, i have given you life and i expect you to take care of it and to extend it to many.

would you say those are bad things from jehovah?

remember every slice of bread you eat and water you drink is from jehovah...his will made those things exist because he knows we need food and water.

a wicked god would leave us hungry and thirsty.

and before you say why then does jehovah allow us to suffer?

adam and eve brought suffering on themselves and in doing so brought suffering onto us because we are their descendants.

therefore jehovah cannot be rightly blamed for human suffering.

jehovahs right to rule mankind was challenged by adam eve and the angel who made himself satan the devil.

that angel said that adam and eve would become like god knowing good and bad and that they would not die.

if that is not true tell me where is adam and eve today?

are they not dead?

and if they would become like jehovah why are they not in their own heaven now if they were to become gods and goddess?

the truth is because it was all a lie.

jehovah proved to be the trustworthy one that day...he said in the day they eat from the tree of knowledge of good and bad they would positively die...and they did..not immediatly but gradually.

they lost all the good jehovah had blessed them with...because they choose their own course of independance.

jehovah therefore reseved the right to withdraw his support and grant their wish to be independant.

adam and eve no doubt quickly realised they had made a serious error.

can you imagine the tears they must of shed?

can you imagine the guilt they felt for bringing death to all other humans?

wasnt it a loving thing that jehovah made a provision through means of his son jesus christ so that through his death mankind might have what adam and eve threw away?

wasnt it loving of jehovah to help the isralites?

despite their unfaithfullness he exercised patience and mercy till it was no longer worth it.

jehovah has not changed, he is the same god who created earth and adam and eve and gave them a wonderful prospect of living forever on a paradise earth.

that hope is still valid and many are taking advantage of that so that one day they too can live right here on planet earth under the conditions we were all meant to live under and forever.

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Is Being A Jehovah's Witness a Mental Disorder?

by Amber Rose in

frequently i have seen the subject of borderlind personallity disorder mentioned on this board.

many people here feel that friends or relatives display many of the charactaristics of the disorder.

people with histories of abuse seem to be drawn to this religion.

saturdaymorningblues

i dont agree that being a jw is comparable to having a mental illness.

jw are normal human beings from all walks of life.

some have overcome serious problems, some are battling serious problems.

what keeps them going is their trust in jehovahs promise to eradicate all forms of suffering soon.

perhaps also some take encouragement from the book of job whose faith was seriously tested by satan who gladly failed.

obviously not all people have the strong faith and determination as job

and also job wasnt suffering from a form of mental illness....and for those that do, their battle to remain faithful is much harder, hence why i presume some eventually fall away from the faith which naturally is saddening but understandable.

of course we can recieve 'power beyond what is normal' to cope with everyday stress but that wont change a serious mental disorder.

also suffering a mental illness affects too one's self esteem.

one feels incomplete as a human...a bit like a car without wheels...you wont get very far in life.

also depression can set in which brings a person down which again is heartbreaking.

under those conditions many will 'snap' in a spiritual sense and convince themselves that by walking away from jehovah, will bring them relief.

and for some it does because in a sense you become free to let out your emotions without fear or guilt which one cant really do when one is a practising witness.

but when i say 'free to let our your emotions' i mean in the sense of perhaps cursing and getting angry perhaps at jehovah himself in prayer.

all in all i think that being a jw is much less stressful and hard to deal with when you are sound in body and mind.

the individual(s) that arent sound in body and mind will always feel a greater need to lean on jehovah or fellow witnesses more than those that arent ailing in mind and body.

either way it is equally saddenning for those that are healthly to see their spritual brothers and sisters who arent.

this is why i believe that jehovah must prove to be true and reliable when he adopts a worshipper that is ailing.

if he doesnt remove what is stumbling the person then he must provide a means of encouragement endurance and comfort by any means available so that that individual(s) are not overwhelmed with depression.

by doing so on our behalf jehovah surely shows his deep love care and compassion which to the reciever is of great value.

having experienced suffering in my life, i realise how important,how precious even is love.

yes we need food water clothes etc etc but without love and care we are incomplete.

i long for the day when jehovah will take over because this system in my opinion has been a disaster.

as imperfect people we have learnt to hurt ourselves to be happy.

that can be seen in the practice of cigarette use..drug abuse..the list goes on and on.

thankfully we dont all follow the same unatural path, but that doesnt mean it should be permitted to continue.

we as people need to be come familiar with true happiness without drugs or whatever people use to make themselves happy.

i want to know for sure if jehovah himself can make us happy.

he has proved that he knows how to sustain us from day to day with food and water.

the ecological system is another example of jehovahs care and wisdom.

unless jehovah himself had not done those things man could not create it.

in fact man has proved that over the centuries we have lived on planet earth, man has gradually been destroying our planet.

i dont need to go into great detail because we are all already aware of what is happenning.

man has a provider has shown himself to be selfish and wicked.

we can see that in the things in the world like weapons of war, cigarettes, drugs, guns, racism, etc etc.

under jehovahs rule those things will be removed....under mans rule those things remain.

we humans have paid a huge price by adam and eve's disobedience.

true they had free will but they made a selfish and foolish choice of course influenced by the angel who became satan the devil.

if they had strictly obeyed jehovahs commandment, they would be alive today and i would not be sitting here typing this.

and everyone of you would not be lacking faith in jehovah because we would have no reason to doubt jehovah thanks to the obedience of our first parents and of course our own obedience to jehovah.

but obeying him under perfect conditions would be much easier than it is now.

now we have more cause to complain and rebel because conditions are bad.

we may reason, we are imperfect now so why should i obey jehovah?

i will still die as a imperfect human even if i obey him so therefore i will live life the way i want to.

jehovahs witnesses prove by their actions that it is possible to humble one's self even though we are not perfect,

and still obey jehovah.

its not easy, in fact it is proberly the hardest thing to do, but nevertheless it can be done.

and the reward for doing so is the hope of everlasting life here on planet earth under paradisic conditions and in perfect health.

and the hope of being reunited with loved ones who fell asleep in death centuries ago.

no where else can one find such hope except from the bible whose author is jehovah god.

we are told that he cannot lie and that he is the very personification of love.

our planet alone is proof of his love care wisdom and power.

let alone the endless variety of food and liquid we can quench our thirst with.

if anything man by his selfisness and greed means we sometimes dont get much to eat or drink.

the bible again gives us hope by promising that under jehovah's rulership their will prove to be plenty of grain upon the earth and on top of the mountains there will be a overflow.

there is a overflow now even under mans rule but again greed has meant many go without food or drink.

is it any wonder why many are putting their trust in jehovah?

after centuries of human rule poverty and hunger still takes its toll on people.

under jehovahs rule poverty and hunger will be eradicated FOREVER.

that tells us then that it is jehovahs heavenly government that will solve mankinds problems.

not george bush or tony blair.

this why jw preach consistently the good news because it is the only good news worth hearing.

if human government promises were the answer, why do we still have unresolved problems?

the bible answers that question very clearly by telling us that it is not for earthling man who is walking to even direct his own step

and it concludes that fact by saying correct me oh jehovah.

when we acknowledge and accept that mankind needs help in directing his steps, we are on the path to recovery.

however mankind for centuries has buried its head in the sand and stubbornly continues to direct their own step(which is their right being humans endowed with free will) but the consequence of ignoring the advice from our creator means failure without fail.

and history has proved that to be true.

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love and fine works

by saturdaymorningblues in

i just want to say that i wish we all returned to exercising 'love and fine works'.

after all, its by us doing so that our work is rewarded with the precious gift of everlasting life.

nowhere else can we recieve such a gift except from our heavenly creator 'jehovah god'.

saturdaymorningblues

ok tell me if this not true?

since jesus was the perfect example of how to serve god

are christians today not to follow his example and talk to good and bad people just has he did?

apostates know that the course they have taken is wrong and i think should be encouraged to rethink their decision and return to love and fine works.

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love and fine works

by saturdaymorningblues in

i just want to say that i wish we all returned to exercising 'love and fine works'.

after all, its by us doing so that our work is rewarded with the precious gift of everlasting life.

nowhere else can we recieve such a gift except from our heavenly creator 'jehovah god'.

saturdaymorningblues

i just want to say that i wish we all returned to exercising 'love and fine works'.

after all, its by us doing so that our work is rewarded with the precious gift of everlasting life.

nowhere else can we recieve such a gift except from our heavenly creator 'jehovah god'.

why should we abandon our love and fine works and lose that precious gift?

why should we say in our hearts.. id rather die than live forever!

brothers and sisters i tell you that you know that if eve had not listened to satan and adam had not followed her example

we would be in paradise!

which one of you would turn down the chance to live in a paradise like country?

you would jump at the chance!

why then do you walk away from the paradise promised by jehovah?

paradise now is tempoary...but the paradise of the future is forever!

no amount of hard work and love without jehovah can give us happiness without end.

so therefore let us return to our former love and fine works

and one day we will be together in paradise under perfect conditions and perfect heavenly rule.

what can this system offer us that is so enticing and better than the work set before us by jehovah?

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Need help forgiving myself.

by cloud in

hi guys, im new here and im christian (though trying to read the bible for what it is instead of looking to preacher all the time.

) anyway, i have a dilemma.

im 26 right now.

saturdaymorningblues

look,

noone is perfect we have all committed sin at various times before we repented and tried to live a clean wholesome life that protects us and pleases god.

so you committed fornication...you will find very few people that havent.

tell me something, what is point in you spending all that time going from house to house teaching people about the good news if you forget that you are visiting people that have likely committed fornication or do it on a regular basis!

if it is so bad and unforgivable why hasnt jehovah brought armedgeddon yet?

could it be that he is giving us all time to recognize our sins and its consequences ?

i think so!

we are imperfect people

and im not using that as a excuse

but look at it this way would you starve yourself and ignore your stomach's need for food?

can you live to the age of 100 without eating?

isnt eating essential to your life?

who made us that way?

would you or i exist without your mom and dad having sex in order to create a family?

who made that possible?

so tell me for what reason should you feel unduly guilty for ?

isnt it because you are aware of jehovahs commandments and it is normal to feel guilty when we do something wrong.

think about it?

we are all already condemned to die even if we dont commit fornication!

just because you had sex before marriage why should that mean you cant be forgiven?

your need for sexual relations and satisfaction is normal.

at the time try as you may you may not of had the power to resist.

remember it is normal to want sex..what is wrong is having sex outside of the way jehovah intended it.

it is good that you now consider jehovahs standpoint

but remember your standpoint at the time.

you wasnt a jehovahs witness at the time!

you can forgive yourself!

if jehovah cant forgive you then he aint worth the worship and fear he gets from people.

and it also means what you do now is a waste of time if god cant forgive our fleshy weaknesses.

im not a jw and if i were and was about to get married in front of a elder and was asked if i had ever committed fornincation i would say yes!

if at the end of the day jehovah kills me on the day of armedgeddon

he would be an unjust god.

arent we told god cannot lie?

arent we told god is love?

arent we told that love is kind?

long suffering?

doesnt keep account of the injury?

and more importantly dont you remember that god can read our hearts?

he knows you are sorry for what you did before you were babtised.

why should he hold your sins against you?

does he really think that imperfect people would all reside on planet earth and never put a foot wrong?

we sin we repent..dont let that spoil your life!

if jehovah cant forgive us then i dont want him as my god!

i dont want a god that will remember my faults and never provide a way out for me to repent!

if we do things the right way we can never go wrong!

we all have bad habits..some worse than others but does that mean god refuses to help us?

the greater work is for jehovah not us

if i could i would heap the whole worlds problems on him and let him solve them because he knows that we were never made to be independant of him.

therefore no matter how big or huge our problem throw it all on him and dont feel bad because he can handle it.

we cant handle it that is why we throw it on him!

dont feel guilty anymore

because we are all imperfect

if you wanna have sex its natural just you want to eat when you are hungry.

god made us that way.

hugs from wembley to you

from smb

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Need help forgiving myself.

by cloud in

hi guys, im new here and im christian (though trying to read the bible for what it is instead of looking to preacher all the time.

) anyway, i have a dilemma.

im 26 right now.

saturdaymorningblues

brother,

dont beat yourself down over what happened.

no-one is perfect

so you kissed and fooled around

so what?

is it a crime to kiss a woman?

dont allow yourself to become dysfuntional

because from the way you are going on you could become that way.

a kiss is a kiss its ok to kiss!

you didnt have sex with her did you?

so why beat yourself up over a simple thing?

frankly if you believe that what you did was so wrong then i dont a single person would devote their lives to god

if it is an offense to him to kiss a woman!

if i am overreacting i apologize most sincerely but if you really feel that bad then brother i say stop feeling that way now!

you are human it is human to kiss

it isnt a sin!

think of the world empire of false religion,

it alone is misleading so many people..keeping them away from the truth.

compare that to your kiss and fooling around?

which is the more damaging?

i wish you well brother!

most sincerely

smb.

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why i dont love god

by saturdaymorningblues in

jw
friends

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first of all i find it very hard to pray...i dont like the way we have to talk into the air hoping he is listening.. i dont like the way he expects us to do his will no matter what.. i just dont like god..i hate his way of doing things and i dont like that he has permitted his creation to suffer whilst we are living.. ill never love jehovah

saturdaymorningblues

hi there,

i want you to know i am moved by your advice

you are so right about letting go of hate

it wont change anything at all and i will be the only person that suffers.

deep down the reason behind my unhappiness is that i have grow up from childhood with panic attacks and anxiety which has made my everyday life difficult due to the nature of anxiety and panic attacks.

now im like a prisoner in my own home, i rarely go out socially except when i need food etc.

ive always been a shy introverted person too so i tend to hold things in which doesnt help.

i get by with the medication prescribed by my doctor and im living on welfare for the moment having lost my job as a traffic warden after 4 and a half years.

i still pray to jehovah and ask him to help me in whatever way he can.

im currently restudying the bible but so far havent gone to the meetings yet again due to this anxiety problem.

im trying to get myself to go at some point soon as its the only way i can make real progress.

i regret the day i ever allowed hate to settle in my heart, hating hasnt helped me at all.

i do need to cultivate love but i find it hard to love god, i love his creations, such as women, animals, food, and im glad i am a man and able to appreciate the value and beauty of women etc.

but still i find it hard to love jehovah.

perhaps i need to learn more about him

from how he has dealt with people in the past.

i dont want to be destoyed and neither do i want you to be either

we both deserve to know what jehovah is really like under perfect conditions.

im sure there is still hope for you..my advice to you is try not to give up hope

and i hope you will find your way back to jehovah

i hope everyone will

after all we are his creation

adam and eve threw away what they had.

why should we in turn do the same?

if we cant yet love god then we can surely love each other in the sense of directing the lost sheep to the heavenly father who would no doubt welcome them and us.

remember the story of the prodigal son?

well i am the son and you are the daughter

you know jehovah better than me because you were once close to him

and by your advice to me you are still close to him.

i would love to see you in paradise rejoicing and full of happiness and being glad that we went back to jehovah before it was too late.

please give serious thought to my advice and thank you so much for yours to me, it is greatly appreciated.

ps sorry i took so long to respond to your initial post but i havent logged into this site since 2005.

i hope to hear from you again.

best wishes from trevor ellis

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why i dont love god

by saturdaymorningblues in

jw
friends

.

first of all i find it very hard to pray...i dont like the way we have to talk into the air hoping he is listening.. i dont like the way he expects us to do his will no matter what.. i just dont like god..i hate his way of doing things and i dont like that he has permitted his creation to suffer whilst we are living.. ill never love jehovah

saturdaymorningblues

i like playing my drums, i like big band jazz, i love good food..i dont like suffering and i dont like prayer because i can never be sure him up there is listening plus the fact that im not babtised and i dont do his will so i dont expect him to even hear my prayers.

there are times when i have cursed jehovah most vilely when im really pissed off and then i'll feel bad later and offer an apology later.

for example my health is suffering, i have some kind of skin problem like exema which keeps me awake itching and in pain

and its at times like that when i wanna curse god in the most hurtful way so that he will feel the pain and discomfort i feel when im trying to sleep and cant because my skin is itching so badly.

i just dont feel any reason to give thanks to god because i know that no matter what it is im thanking him for, sooner or later something is bound to go wrong.

i also dont like god's way of loving,

telling me i shouldnt sin when my skin is itching like crazy doesnt help me

if anything it makes me more frustrated.

i dont feel i get what i need from god so i say to hell with him.

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why i dont love god

by saturdaymorningblues in

jw
friends

.

first of all i find it very hard to pray...i dont like the way we have to talk into the air hoping he is listening.. i dont like the way he expects us to do his will no matter what.. i just dont like god..i hate his way of doing things and i dont like that he has permitted his creation to suffer whilst we are living.. ill never love jehovah

saturdaymorningblues

first of all i find it very hard to pray...i dont like the way we have to talk into the air hoping he is listening.

i dont like the way he expects us to do his will no matter what.

i just dont like god..i hate his way of doing things and i dont like that he has permitted his creation to suffer whilst we are living.

ill never love jehovah