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Interesting UK Daily Mirror Article

by DakotaRed in

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friends

since some consider the us to be the most dangerous rogue nation currently and others have stated we are little more than corrupt thugs, i find this article from the daily mirror to be quite intersting.. .

tony parsons - uk daily mirror september 11, 2002 no matter what your views on president bush's statement of upcoming war, this is from an english journalist, is very interesting.

no, do more than remember.

RandomTask

Simon, thank you for finally tackling my points head on.

The first point I refer to is that the US gives billions in aid to countries around the world which you followed with the red herring, "people spend more on lipstick". Lipstick has nothing to do with the fact that we give a TON of aid. What are we supposed to do, give more? I counter that no, we should not give more and really the people who are directly responsible for the plight of the third world man are that man's direct leaders. These leaders are often corrupt and use such aid for their own gain all the while stepping on the backs of their people to keep them dependent on foreign aid. I don't think that forein aid is a good idea for the world nor will it eventually cure the worlds ills. Redistribution of wealth has always put the power over so much into too few. Thats simply the way I see it.

Now I don't think we should go around, conquering the world and force these societies to accept democratic government either. But in the case of Iraq, plenty of evidence has been revealed over the last 12 years that Saddam Hussein has developed weapons of mass destruction, that he has used weapons of mass destruction and that he has aided terrorists with money, supplies, technology and training. This represents a threat to the free countries of the west. You say that the weapons inspections are making progress when Iraq first declares that they have no weapons, then when things don't look so good for them, they say "ok, well we have a few missles" and destroy them while they still have others and are making more. Saddam is not dealing in good faith and he is playing a shell game with the UN and the inspectors. Saddam only purpose is to somehow delay action long enough for him to either develop something usable or make it strategically hard for the US to act. He has no intention of disarming, you know it and I know it. He has never dealt in good faith, he has broken numerous agreements and he is an all around bad guy. This again represents a threat to the security of the US, especially in this post September 11 world where we realize that people can and will kill us in our own neighborhoods if given the chance. This does not mean "nuke the world" and the United States under President Bush has not responded as such, but it does mean we need to take prudent action when necessary.

Look Simon, I think you are a good guy, don't get me wrong, but we do have a difference of opinion on this. I did not mean to misrepresent you and I'm sorry for doing so. But call me a Bush "propagandist" if you like, but I prefer to say "supporter", its far far better than supporting the cause of a man like Saddam Hussein which I know you don't.

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Interesting UK Daily Mirror Article

by DakotaRed in

jw
friends

since some consider the us to be the most dangerous rogue nation currently and others have stated we are little more than corrupt thugs, i find this article from the daily mirror to be quite intersting.. .

tony parsons - uk daily mirror september 11, 2002 no matter what your views on president bush's statement of upcoming war, this is from an english journalist, is very interesting.

no, do more than remember.

RandomTask

First off, you again dodge the point by not acknowledging that the US and other western countries give Billions a year in aid to these countries. Then you defend Saddam and others like him by saying how the US propped him up in the first place. Your heroes the French, German and Russians are actually the ones who are propping up and have propped up Saddam more than the US ever has, no wonder they don't want us going in there, the weapons Saddam would use against us would all be of French and Russian origin. But does that change the fact that he is a despotic tyrant who is a threat to our security? No it does not. The "big picture" as you so well put it is that we need to deal with these threats seriously, not by playing Saddam's fool, as he would like us to do and as he is doing with Hans Blix and the UN, but by taking an active role in removing the threat.

Saddam could use a PR guy like you.

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Interesting UK Daily Mirror Article

by DakotaRed in

jw
friends

since some consider the us to be the most dangerous rogue nation currently and others have stated we are little more than corrupt thugs, i find this article from the daily mirror to be quite intersting.. .

tony parsons - uk daily mirror september 11, 2002 no matter what your views on president bush's statement of upcoming war, this is from an english journalist, is very interesting.

no, do more than remember.

RandomTask

What grates with many people is that America is quick to dismiss the thousands and millions that die each year, in part because of it's policies. It seems, for instance, that the 2,000 people who died that day are worth much more than the 30,000 foreign children who also died that day ... and every other day since from starvation and preventable disease. What crime did they commit that they should not get the same attention other than die poor and off-camera? It refuses to take part in 'the rest of the world' when it comes to things like climate change / pollution control but expects the world to merrily dance to it's tune when it wants to go to war.

Simon, you again dodge the point. Many accuse America of being a danger when in fact we have been overly subdued.

How many Billions of dollars does America give the rest of the world in just food value alone. I'm not talking foreign aid, which is money given to governments, but in food and medicine and supplies America has given Billions and continues to give Billions year after year. Then even more in foreign aid. But we have seen how the tyrants that rule these poor people, tyrants like Saddam Hussein, misuse the wealth that they have, living in palaces as their people starve in the streets.

Is america perfect? No, but why are people so willing to point the finger at America and not at the very ones responsible for the harsh conditions in these countries, the ones who have a direct ability to try and change things, but rather push their own people farther downward in order to blackmail billions more out of the US. How come there are no demonstrations in the streets against tyrants like Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong Il who are keeping their own people down in order to grow their militaries, develop weapons of mass destruction and build their own wealth and power.

September 11 represented a direct threat not only to me as an american, but you too Simon as a Brit and any others who live in a free and democratic society. Its not just that 3000 people died, but that a group of people out there in the world laid down the gauntlet and said, "we want to kill you, every one of you and this is only the beginning". We MUST defend ourselves against such a threat.

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Are the GB Members Rich?

by sandy in

i remember hearing a long time ago that "apostates" were spreading lies that the governing body members were all rich and had huge extravagant homes.

is there truth to theses stories?

if so, is there evidence?

RandomTask

Is the president "rich"? When you consider his salary relative to what others make then not really. Yet look at the power that the office holds. All fo your needs are taken care of. You get a private jet, a private helicopter. Your own security force, a huge house to live in right next to your huge office. etc...

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Interesting UK Daily Mirror Article

by DakotaRed in

jw
friends

since some consider the us to be the most dangerous rogue nation currently and others have stated we are little more than corrupt thugs, i find this article from the daily mirror to be quite intersting.. .

tony parsons - uk daily mirror september 11, 2002 no matter what your views on president bush's statement of upcoming war, this is from an english journalist, is very interesting.

no, do more than remember.

RandomTask

This article makes a good point. The USA has the power to bomb the middle east off the face of the earth, but we don't and we won't. The sad fact is, that some would want another September 11th to happen before we did anything about the threat of Iraq. So this begs the question, why do something now? What threat does Iraq represent to worldwide security? For one they support terrorism monetarily, for another they are developing weapons of mass destruction, third they thumb their nose at the international community and the restrictions that have been placed upon them by such and fourth they have shown a willingness to aid terrorists with both training and technology. Through volumes of evidence provided by history and intelligence, those who will pay attention clearly know that Iraq is a rogue state that is not only a threat to America, but also the entire free world.

Whats the link to international terrorism then? Terrorists are people who not only hate the USA, but the entire western world as well. They want to destroy not only our way of life, but our very lives themselves. Can you tell me with a straight face, considering the facts that we know and considering history, that Saddam Hussein if given the opportunity, wouldn't help these terrorists develop a "dirty bomb" to unleash in one of our cities? Or do you think he would not give the terrorists some anthrax or other biological agent to put into our water supply? September 11 was real and it wasn't just a game or a ploy, there are people out there who would love to see 1,000 september 11s happen all over the globe and they are working to make that a reality. Saddam Hussein is one of these people. And this is why he must be stopped. Because of what he wants, because of what he has proven he is willing to do and because of the people he has helped.

Of course, war is hell. Nobody likes war, but how are we to deal with problems when a diplomatic solution cannot be worked out? Saddam does not deal honorably, has he kept even one of the agreements that he signed off on after losing the last war? No, he hasn't. He has kept a sleepy world off of his tail by trickery, delay and deception for over 12 years now. For 12 years the man has had an opportunity to ensure that there is no war, for 12 years he has had the opportunity to cooperate and disarm, for 12 years this man has had the opportunity to stop being a threat to all of us and basically his response to the rest of the world was a hearty, "up yours". But now the world is no longer asleep as it once was. Awakened by September 11, a time when some of us fully realized that there are people out there who want to kill us: babies, mothers, fathers, grandparents, all of us. We now realize that threats such as Saddam Hussein cannot be taken lightly. That threats like him must be erradicated and he will be erradicated.

Probably within the next couple of weeks, the US will act, most likely along with our close allies, Great Britain, to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. It will be a quick and decisive victory, limiting civilian casualties and aimed at Saddams threat, himself and his weapons. There will be a regime change in Iraq and the UN will be involved in giving the Iraqi people a real chance at self determination and a word that has not even been uttered in the Iraq for some time, freedom. How this story ends will be up to the Iraqi people and not up to the United States, who has no entrest in empire, but in erradicating threats to world security and in turn our own security.

So what of those other threats? North Korea is a perfect example of what we want to prevent from happening in Iraq. So many times the west has given in to North Korea, proclaiming that a piece of paper signed by their leaders somehow gaurantees "peace in our time". And then how many of these good faith agreements has North Korea then trampled on, in order to get more aid, more technology and more money out of a scared west? We will not allow this cycle, that has led to North Korea being able to develop nuclear weapons, and the missles to carry them, to continue. North Korea will not be able to blackmail the west any longer, a hard stance will be taken against them and they will have to back down. It has the benefit of never having been tried, we have tried appeasement time and again and history has shown us that appeasement never works.

So september 11 did change things. We have to look at the rest of the world differently now. Either we can back down to those who wish to destroy our life or we can fight to defend our life, just as we have been forced to do every century since our modern democracy was formed. Funny, each time we do, the world becomes a little better place to live in, whie during those times that we did nothing, the world became rapidly worse and opressive.

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Fred Said: The Mustard Seed

by refiners fire in

here is something interesting.

its about the parable of the mustard seed as interpreted in the days of the watchtowers key prophetic interpreter, the inimitable freddie franz.

its from the book: mans salvation out of world distress at hand (1975) and is gleaned from pages 206 209. the exposition commences by talking about christendom:

RandomTask

Regardless of the FACTS, the WT Society is clearly wrong on this.

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Finally received our "shepherding call" today

by Jourles in

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friends

it was inevitable.

after dodging the bullet for a few weeks, the elders finally made their way to our house today.

the reason i think this to be so, is because he asked me what he should write down for my report.

RandomTask

Jourles, the reason I can't go back and "not make waves", attend a meeting here or there, is because I know its all a lie. Its like living a lie and being two people. I don't go out of my way to debate doctrine, even with my family who I see quite often. I have had a slip once or twice when hard pressed by one of my family, but it didn't come to anything. Basically, my wife and I were HARD PRESSED to go back when we first left, but we simply refused to give an answer, just that "we don't want to go". Nobody really bothers us about it anymore, although I want to shout things at them when they are having their 15 year old daughter sign her life away in a medical release, power of attorney form. Or when I see my brother and sister in law, young kids, willing to throw their future away for this fairy-tale of a religion.

I don't know if you still somewhat believe in this religion, and I guess thats not the issue. I don't, and I think that there is plenty of evidence to prove that they are totally full of crap and have been since the late 1800's. But I encourage you to do whats best for you and don't live a lie, after awhile, it takes a toll.

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Bleeding Heart Liberals!! Did you see......

by LuckyLucy in

....the savage nation on msnbc 2:00 today?

( pacific time) this show was his first on television.he has a radio show.he is so right on about everything!

bush, illegal aliens, the borders.

RandomTask

What happened to most of the Democrats backing action against Saddam, was it last September or November? I forget exactly when, but thre was a vote. Anyway, why the flip-flop on the issue?

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those sick bastards are winning

by kls in

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with the un on the tv all the time my husband is just stuck to it waiting for jw prophesis to come true it is so sick , you can just see the mind minulipulation going on in his head.i have been reading about the un and the watchtower in threads and in freeminds , i was not surprised but very hopeful that this maybe what i need to finally get my husband to see the sickness of this cult.i printed out the photocopy on freeminds and showed it to him ,also everyday he reads the dailytext thats supposed to have bible verses for each day, i compared his text with the bible and found many differences and each text ends with the wt page and yr this verse was in.well i confronted him and holy crap he went nuts , screaming , it's all lies that is an apostate sight, anyone can print anything about us.i told him i could send a letter to the un for conformation, well that did it he threw a cup and smashed it and looked crazed.you would think after all these yrs of him being in a cult i could accept it , but i can,t ,i know what it is and it makes me sick , i am starting to believe these sick asses are going to win, one way or another i will get away from this.

the despise for this cult grows by the minute.

the only thing keeping me sane is all of you , i feel very cared for here ,you all can think for yourselves and say how you feel, i think i know all of you more then my husband of 29yrs.

RandomTask

Gold morning, you stole my thunder! I agree totally with what you just said. Just in the way that this cult twists people's very humanity and strips it from them is disgusting and shows how this is the farthest from what "god's people" should be like. Attitudes like this are not the exception, I find them to be the norm mong witnesses, especially when discussing their faith.

It is as simple as asking why something that is so truthful could not stand even the slightest scrutiny. If it is "Gods truth" then is should stand up to any feeble "human reasoning". Even if someone is using trickery or lies to discount their faith, as they will automatically claim, shouldn't these "tricks" be easily exposed without the mental gymnastics that they constantly have to go through to defend their beliefs? Barring all logic and reason?

Their religion is a sham, but it is so interwoven into their lives and their mind most of them couldn't bear to learn the truth about it.

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Bleeding Heart Liberals!! Did you see......

by LuckyLucy in

....the savage nation on msnbc 2:00 today?

( pacific time) this show was his first on television.he has a radio show.he is so right on about everything!

bush, illegal aliens, the borders.

RandomTask

Heh, oh boy here we go