hi jan,.......... funny how those facts cause some to get upset.
thanks for the list, and the short, to the point exaplanations.
crawdad2
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Comprehensive list of WATCHTOWER DATES
by JanH inabandoned in 1930. .
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Grand Jury Closing In On Molesters
by Pureheart inrole of bishops is now a focus of grand juries
by sam dillon
rosecutors across the nation have taken investigations of clerical sexual abuse before more than a dozen grand juries in recent weeks, stepping up their inquiries into whether roman catholic bishops endangered children by ignoring the crimes, prosecutors and church officials said.. district attorneys from phoenix to st. louis to long island are using the secret grand juries to obtain subpoenas for personnel records and other records from catholic dioceses and to compel the testimony of bishops and priests.
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seems like they are no longer just going after individual priests,,,,,,,,,,, now they are going after the ones who moved the pedopile priests around.........
look out, gov body!
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Kingdom Hall Burns
by wasasister intumwater, wa.
kingdom hall completely destroyed by fire.
elder rod tucker talks to news media about fire, cause unknown.
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to bad it burned down,,,,,,,,, now the records of the pedophile accusations against the elders are gone...
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A Short History of the Watchtower Organization
by plmkrzy ini wasnt going to bother surfing around in this link, after i clicked on it, because i figured it was just another one of those sites full of rhetoric and crap.
but i thought i would just glance.
i was surprised to read this.
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thanks, plmkrzy.......... i enjoyed the refresher course........... especially all the stuff about russel's early days, and the 1874 1878 dates and predictions............ and his association with the second aventist movements.
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Persecution - MWUHAHA...
by SYN inanother day, another rant.
after reading latte's post on jahh's thread, it seems that the dubs are going full-bore into their good old duck and hedgehog style of crying "persecution!!!!!
" as soon as it looks like they're being exposed.. dateline, apparently, was persecution.
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crawdad2
the reason catholic bishops move pedophile priests around, giving them new territory........ is because they themselves are involved in it........ so they conspire to cover it up.
some people have no idea how bad the problem is............ catholic priests have been reported to have molested hundreds of victims........ then, because of complaints, the bishop moves them to a new location.
could there be a problem in bethel?.............. greedy, dirty old men, claiming to be god's mouthpiece...... in charge of innocent, horney young men who have no time to date, because of the schedule they have been talked into, ........... who are so frustrated, because of everything .........they are in need of constant counsel........ how nice of certain gov body members, to talk to them privately...
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Missing the Target for 125 Years!
by JanH inmissing the target for 125 years .
the organization that more than 5 million jehovah's witnesses believe to be "god's channel" of communication to mankind, is strangely also the organization with a monumental record of failed predictions.
after examining dozens of watch tower society (wts) predictions we failed to find a single one that was right.
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crawdad2
great stuff jan!
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Bethelite speakers get Free rooms w/ hot tub
by Cappuccino OC ini was just given the new book from the convention by a neighbor of mine and i was remembering that when i was in high school 85-89, we met the bethelite brother who was giving the special talk at our district assembly.
most of the families from my congregation commuted, 20 miles, to the assembly in fresno, ca.
a local elder stayed with his family in the hotel across the selland arena, convention.
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hi cappuccino............ your post says it all,........... and the responses do too....... some will never see what the top leadership is like........... others see it everywhere they look.
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Elders and Culpability Revisited
by dungbeetle inelders and culpability revisited.
since the issue keeps coming up no matter what (watchtower ingrained in all jws the position elders had and how no one should question the elders.
on the other hand, we should all turn in errant publishers).. i would like to say first that i have said some harsh words on the subject, to amazing and to marvin shilmer and to jst2laws and hillary_step (i read the book "into thin air" and i know what that means now!!).
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hi dungbeetle,
the gov body say's that the molestation problem may be worse because some elders don't follow the instructions of the gov body closely enough,............... that's not true!............. the problem is due to elders closely following the instructions of the gov body.............. the gov body knows exactly what they are doing, and they are guilty............... any gov body members who don't agree could have stepped down, like ray franz............ i guess they don't mind sharing in her sins........ rev 18: 4, 5, 6.
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LETTER READ TONIGHT
by biblexaminer inwell, the wts has directed all elders in canada to read a letter concerning the child abuse issue.
it is the same whitewash as read in the us a while back when dateline aired.
it seems that on the 'eve of destruction' (ie bbc and panorama) the wts has decided to read a letter that was obviously penned weeks ago.
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hi hillary........... i'm glad i'm not pissing you off then................ so, heidi's lawyer is not going to accept any settlements out of court, right? ............ you are not going to make any deals with the gov body, right?
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LETTER READ TONIGHT
by biblexaminer inwell, the wts has directed all elders in canada to read a letter concerning the child abuse issue.
it is the same whitewash as read in the us a while back when dateline aired.
it seems that on the 'eve of destruction' (ie bbc and panorama) the wts has decided to read a letter that was obviously penned weeks ago.
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oh sorry, hillary,....... i thought you would get it.
by the gov body already making written policy changes, wanted by you, and publicising it,..... the gov body will soon discredit your accusations to the media by saying ............ "we have already made the changes they wanted,... now they are still persecuting us"........... but nothing will have changed, as far as children being molested goes, because the brothers and sister are convinced with one hundred reasons not to tell anyone, except the elders.........(they think it brings reproach on jehovah)
yes, you are pruning,.......... the gov body is kicking out anyone who dares speak against them right now........ all the good hearted elders who come forward and take a stand, quickly get disfellowshipped........... leaving the most wicked elders to tend to the child abuse issue........... who do the children then have to protect them?
i think you should take them to court, instead of trying to make deals about policy changes with the gov body............ they can't honor them, they are up to their necks in it themselves,......... they can't turn over pedophiles.......... if they do, it will eventually get them incriminated themselves, cause they conspired to harbor them, and silence the victims, to appear like they don't have a pedophile problem...... and there are witnesses in silent lambs who will testify in court............... i sure hope you don't agree to settle out of court, with heidi meyer.........
oh, about the one pedophile you have gotten arrested........so far,........... yes i'm glad you mentioned that........... how come it's only one?................. and you are correct........... i have none...... i am nothing but the guy talking to you, pissing you off.
Edited by - crawdad2 on 11 July 2002 0:6:34