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  What Watchtower Belief/View Never Sat Right With You?

  by minimus in

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  but their views on blood are just plain weird!

  meat has blood in it even if it's bled.

  still eating meat means consuming blood.

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  Cleveland? What am I missing, as I didn't know about that doctrine.
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  Tragic Story: Unbelieving Daughter Loses Her Child and JW Mother in Landslides

  by kneehighmiah in

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  The belief of the JW religion is a stark opposite of the reality of the JW religion. I understand this woman's grief, but I think the JW life is slavery. I hope she investigates it before joining. It is an answer to the afterlife, but may not be the only answer. She needs to keep investigating and come to her own understanding of the afterlife.
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  JW's going door to door in the future, funny video

  by Crazyguy in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=c7ptao4imsm.

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  Great. And, loved the cryo-cell explanation of the Generation of the future.
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  When a JW relative came to visit . . . .

  by skeeter1 in

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  for those of you who are shunned, it is in disguise a blessing.

  becuase when you are not shunned, jws come to visit.

  it is the most tiresome hosting you will ever endure.. for the first 2 1/2 days, it was straight talk about "jehovah", the "organization", the "bible", then, "how bad these times are", "can't wait to see someone dead in the new world" .

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  Thank you everyone. I do think that a big part of this is that the JWs are sheltered people who have surrounded themselves with JWs and JW speak. They can't relate to people any other way, then the Witness speak.

  It has taken me the weekend to calm down. Today, we went over for a party at our friends' house as I said before. It was so nice and laid back. I am beginning to relax. A wine cooler helped out, alot. But, I am wiped out and am going to take an afternoon nap now.
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  When a JW relative came to visit . . . .

  by skeeter1 in

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  for those of you who are shunned, it is in disguise a blessing.

  becuase when you are not shunned, jws come to visit.

  it is the most tiresome hosting you will ever endure.. for the first 2 1/2 days, it was straight talk about "jehovah", the "organization", the "bible", then, "how bad these times are", "can't wait to see someone dead in the new world" .

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  All I kept thinking of (to keep me from going off the deep end) is, "Skeeter, we're dealing with brainwashed people, and somewhere underneath the brainwashing are nice people trying to get through the world despite their damaged lives." And, that's what we really have. I wish I could get to meet the real people underneath the brainwashing, but that isn't going to be at this time.

  Snowbird, thanks for your scripture. It worked like a charm. Never heard that line of argument again!
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  When a JW relative came to visit . . . .

  by skeeter1 in

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  for those of you who are shunned, it is in disguise a blessing.

  becuase when you are not shunned, jws come to visit.

  it is the most tiresome hosting you will ever endure.. for the first 2 1/2 days, it was straight talk about "jehovah", the "organization", the "bible", then, "how bad these times are", "can't wait to see someone dead in the new world" .

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  The best was when one JW claimed he had free speech rights. I said, "No you don't. What happened if you complained about child molestation by elders, blood transfusions, or the multiple changes in the Generation teaching?" (just so you know, we're about 4 days into the visit, and I've had it at this point). The JW said, "Oh, I don't care about those things, and that isn't what I was complainign about" So, the teenager overhears this and drops jaw. The whole way to school . .. . "He doesn't care about child molestors within the JWs, what does he care about?" I said, "Oh, he was having a personal,marital problem and complained at how the Watchtower Society in Bethel handled that." Teenager said, "Wow, he can't see beyond his nose."

  I think I'm going to take my teenager shopping or out for a huge banana split!
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  When a JW relative came to visit . . . .

  by skeeter1 in

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  for those of you who are shunned, it is in disguise a blessing.

  becuase when you are not shunned, jws come to visit.

  it is the most tiresome hosting you will ever endure.. for the first 2 1/2 days, it was straight talk about "jehovah", the "organization", the "bible", then, "how bad these times are", "can't wait to see someone dead in the new world" .

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  For those of you who are shunned, it is in disguise a blessing. Becuase when you are not shunned, JWs come to visit. It is the most tiresome hosting you will ever endure.

  For the first 2 1/2 days, it was straight talk about "Jehovah", the "Organization", the "Bible", then, "How Bad these times are", "can't wait to see someone dead in the New World" . . . all sprinkled in with a few of their dislikes of the Borg. I'm tallking 90% of the conversation was touting the JW. Now, at first, I just take the talk and nod. I don't want to be rude. That is seen as an open invitation to try to Witness to me and my kids (of course, when my back was turned).

  So, that was where we drew the line. At that point, I had to have a nice conversation with the JWs. I did it nicely and calmly. It took every ounce of my patience to do this. I told them that I understood that the JWs gave them purpose, focus, and faith. I respect that. I also told them that I have studied the JW and Christianity and do not follow JW nor much of Christianity. I also said that it was rude to disregard my beliefs and make the first several days fo their visit as a JW campaign to recruit me. I admitted that I was insulted. The JW apologizes . . . then continues to preach the Bible, read the Bible, etc. for the next 36 hours!!!!!!!!!

  The good news, is that my teenager is SUPER turned off now to JWs! "FREAKY" is how she described it. Telling all school buddies....too. Nothing like a good Witness to spread the Truth about the Truth!

  Finally, on the last day, the JWs relax. Only mentions the JWs a few times.

  I'm just so tired. It was not an enjoyable visit. I was constantly put on edge, insulted,my JW guests made references constantly to materialism, and selfishness . . especially the last day when they were not trying to make leading conversation to preach the Good News. I think this last day was pure judgemental becuase we have a nice home. Whatever. I didn't bother to counter. I just counted down the hours til they left.

  So, what's worse than a JW on a doorstep? How about prosthelizing JWs in your guest room who do not respect other people's deeply held religous beliefs?

  I think I'll drink several beers this weekend. I deserve it. On Sunday, we're going over to our Lesbian girlfriends who are getting married. They promised me a few free beers.

  Skeeter
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  Former Austria and Switzerland branches update!!

  by Viva la Vida in

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  the wt branches in switzerland and austria were sold and now they are being develop into apartment buildings.. check the projects on the following links:.

  switzerland: http://www.vbarch.ch/aktuelles (7th picture from top).

  austria: http://www.wvg.at/projekte/13g40.

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  Are they really closing down these places, or just moving them?
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  Describe What a Jehovah's Witness Elder Is Like

  by minimus in

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  i know what they are supposed to be like.

  but at this point in time, do you think the elders look joyful?

  are they serious bible students?

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  Roosters.
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  A letter from my Mom

  by ateograciasadios in

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  friends,.

  i have seen several posts like the following, and never thought i would have to write one myself, but here we go: my dear mom is forcing me to make a move... one that i have been really avoiding as much as possible.

  she wrote me an email today, and here i am giving you an idea of its contents.

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  I hope that this passage helps you with some insight . . .

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  Religion of Freedom

  This is a religion of freedom and reason for man to lead a noble life.

  B uddhism does not prevent anyone from learning the teachings of other religions. In fact, the Buddha encouraged His followers to learn about other religions and to compare His Teachings with other teachings. The Buddha says that if there are reasonable and rational teachings. The Buddha says that if there are reasonable and rational teachings in other religions, His followers are free to respect such teachings. It seems that certain religionists try to keep their followers in the dark, some of them are not even allowed to touch other religious objects or books. They are instructed not to listen to the preachings of other religions. They are enjoined not to doubt the teachings of their own religion, however unconvincing their teachings may appear to be. The more they keep their followers on a one-track mind, the more easily they can keep them under control. If anyone of them exercises freedom of thought and realizes that he had been in the dark all the time, then it is alleged that the devil has possessed his mind. The poor man is given no opportunity to use his common sense, education, of his intelligence. Those who wish to change their views on religion are taught to believe that they are not perfect enough to be allowed to use free will in judging anything for themselves.

  According to the Buddha, religion should be left to one's own free choice. Religion is not a law, but a disciplinary code which should be followed with understanding. To Buddhists true religious principles are neither a divine law nor a human law, but a natural law.

  In actual fact, there is no real religious freedom in any part of the world today. Man has not the freedom even to think freely. Whenever he realizes that he cannot find satisfaction through his own religion to which he belongs, which cannot provide him with satisfactory answers to certain questions, he has no liberty to give it up and to accept another which appeals to him. The reason is that religious authorities, leaders, and family members have taken that freedom away from him. Man should be allowed to choose his religion which is in accordance with his own conviction. One has no right to force another to accept a particular religion. Some people surrender their religion for the sake of love, without a proper understanding of their partner's religion. Religion should not be changed to suit man's emotions and human weaknesses. One must think very carefully before changing one's religion. Religion is not a subject for bargaining; one should not change one's religion for personal, material gains. Religion is to be sued for spiritual development and for self-salvation.

  Buddhists never try to influence other religionists to come and embrace their religion for material gain. Nor do they try to exploit poverty, sickness, illiteracy and ignorance in order to increase the number of Buddhist population. The Buddha advised those who indicated their wish to follow Him, not to be hasty in accepting His Teachings. He advised them to consider carefully His Teaching and to determine for themselves whether it was practical or not for them to follow.

  Buddhism teaches that mere belief or outward rituals are insufficient for attaining wisdom and perfection. In this sense, outward conversion becomes meaningless. To promote Buddhism by force would mean pretending to propagate justice and love by means of oppression and injustice. It is of no importance to a follower of the Buddha whether a person calls himself a Buddhist or not. Buddhists know that only through man's understanding and exertion will they come nearer to the goal preached by the Buddha.

  Amongst the followers of every religion are some fanatics. Religious fanaticism is dangerous. A fanatic is incapable of guiding himself by reason or even by the scientific principles of observation and analysis. According to the Buddha, a Buddhist must be a free man with an open mind and must not be subservient to anyone for his spiritual development. He seeks refuge in the Buddha by accepting Him as a source of supreme guidance and inspiration. He seeks refuge in the Buddha, not blindly, but with understanding. To Buddhists, the Buddha is not a savior nor is He an anthropomorphic being who claims to possess the power of washing away other's sins. Buddhists regard the Buddha as a Teacher who shows the Path to salvation.

  Buddhism has always supported the freedom and progress of mankind. Buddhism has always stood for the advancement of knowledge and freedom for humanity in every sphere of life. There is nothing in the Buddha's Teaching that has to be withdrawn in the face of modern, scientific inventions and knowledge. The more new things that scientists discover, the closer they come to the Buddha.

  The Buddha emancipated man from the thralldom of religion. He also released man from the monopoly and the tyranny of the priestcraft. It was the Buddha who first advised man to exercise his reason and not to allow himself to be driven meekly like dumb cattle, following the dogma of religion. The Buddha stood for rationalism, democracy and practical, ethical conduct in religion. He introduced this religion for people to practise with human dignity.

  The followers of the Buddha were advised not to believe anything without considering it properly. In the Kalama Sutta,the Buddha gave the following guidelines to a group of young people:

  'Do not accept anything based upon mere reports,
  traditions or hearsay,
  Nor upon the authority of religious texts,
  Nor upon mere reasons and arguments,
  Nor upon one's own inference,
  Nor upon anything which appears to be true,
  Nor upon one's own speculative opinion,
  Nor upon another's seeming ability,
  Nor upon the consideration: 'This is our Teacher.'
  'But, when you know for yourselves the certain things are unwholesome and bad: tending to harm yourself of others, reject them.
  'And when you know for yourselves that certain things are wholesome and good: conducive to the spiritual welfare of yourself as well as others, accept and follow them.'

  Buddhists are advised to accept religious practices only after careful observation and analysis, and only after being certain that the method agrees with reason and is conducive to the good of one and all.

  A true Buddhist does not depend on external powers for his salvation. Nor does he expect to get rid of miseries through the intervention of some unknown power. He must try to eradicate all his mental impurities to find eternal Happiness. The Buddha says, 'If anyone were to speak ill of me, my teaching and my disciples, do not be upset or perturbed, for this kind of reaction will only cause you harm. On the other hand, if anyone were to speak well of me, my teaching and my disciples, do not be over-joyed, thrilled or elated, for this kind of reaction will only be an obstacle in forming a correct judgment. If you are elated, you cannot judge whether the qualities praised are real and actually found in us.' -- (Brahma Jala Sutta). Such is the unbiased attitude of a genuine Buddhist.

  The Buddha had upheld the highest degree of freedom not only in its human essence but also in its divine qualities. It is a freedom that does not deprive man of his dignity. It is a freedom that releases one from slavery to dogmas and dictatorial religious laws or religious punishments.

  -ooOoo-