Posts by skeeter1

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Steven Unthank's submission re: Appearing before the Inquiry into the Handling of Child Abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

state government of victoria.

a submission to the inquiry into the handling of child abuse by religious and other organisations in relation to the church of jehovahs witnesses and the watch tower society corporation.

submission by the unthank family.

skeeter1

Good for Steve.

(But, I need Cliff Notes when he writes.)

Skeeter

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Religulous with Bill MaherI just saw it

by seven006 in

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i dont post much at all any more but i had to mention this, i just got back from seeing religulous and cant remember the last time i laughed so hard.

it was great!!!!!!

close-minded religious people should save their money and not go see this movie but instead give your money to the next tv evangelist or street magician you see.

skeeter1

I just watched about half of it. I will sit down to watch the other half tonight. Absolutely great. Can you play this at Skeeter's funeral?

It's on Netflix.

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12/15/12 Watchower Study Edition - Higher Eduction = Thinking in a "complicated" manner

by yourmomma in

i found this quote from the 12/15/12 p.29 study edition of the watchtower to be hilarious:.

"a college graduate in the united states.

says: i spent 18 years speaking and writing.

The uneducated JW either hate or are jealous of the educated. Having an "educated" person diss education . . . alot of JDubs will eat it up. It's like putting on a polyester suit from Sears. Feels better then a grungy T-shirt. Now, the uneducated can strut around making fun of the educated per the WTS words.

Skeeter

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Be thankful if you are shunned. . .. .

by skeeter1 in

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i have a jw family member who very rarely comes to see me.

rarely calls me.

but, now, for whatever reason is the time to see me.. first two minutes - i was deluged with him showing me the bible on a phone.

skeeter1

Don't marry a JW!!!!!!

They will "lie" to a worldly to marry them first, convert later.

What if you have kids? Oh MY GOD. They will be indoctrinating your kids in your house, taking them to the KH. If you fight it, then they will be encouraged to divorce you becuase you are a threat to their relationship with Jehovah. They will try to get custody of your children. They will discourage higher education, sports, totally not allow holidays, etc.

JWs can date worldly people. They are sex deprived. It feels good to have someone to share life, and they are rosy when dating. But when they marry, then get laid and G-U-I-L-T over pre-marital sex, not marrying a JW, etc.. To help the guilt, they go back to the KH to work on their own spirituality. Theare respected, somewhat, among the group. But, not as much respect had they married another JW. The religion reminds them of the many perils in marrying a worldly. This will lead them to be angry when returning from the KH (or a few days later if they stew over it) as you aren't going to become a JW. A fight will ensue between the married people, the root of which is really the guilt circle. Wish you could meet my in-law who is trapped with being married to a JW. His life is living HELL.

A JW's whole relationship is to convert. When that doesn't work,

Just trying to save you a life of misery.

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Be thankful if you are shunned. . .. .

by skeeter1 in

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i have a jw family member who very rarely comes to see me.

rarely calls me.

but, now, for whatever reason is the time to see me.. first two minutes - i was deluged with him showing me the bible on a phone.

skeeter1

I have a JW family member who very rarely comes to see me. Rarely calls me. But, now, for whatever reason is the time to see me.

First two minutes - I was deluged with him showing me the Bible on a phone. Throughout the first 2 days, I was deluged with witnessing attempts. When he wasn't witnessing, he was on the phone with JWs back home . . . honing his next move. He'd get off the phone, and, whaaamoooo, more WTS shit. I couldn't slam the door on his face. At first, I tried to engage him. Then, it became so frustrating. I yelled he was in a cult. (I lost it, but you'd understand if you were trapped in a room with him). Then, I just started being real cold when he tried to witness. Then, I got it together and shut him up.....

At first, he agreed that with me on the Candice Conti case and 2 witness rule problem. But, I think this was an attempt to try to get me "open" to witnessing.

He's also mad about being denied disabled pioneer status and the WTS "losing" its record of his years of service. It sounds like he's lost many appeals. He has his own scripture of why they should count his time, but he will not make waves within the KH anymore. He's just going to put it in Jah's hands.

He now wishes that he would have went to college instead of pioneering when he was young. He said, becuase education helps you to think better. (No, I didn't show him the 12/15 WT. SHOULD I?)

His witnessing attempts were constant the first two days. I was batting right back. I got it to stop. For the next few days, it's been just all non-JW talk.

The person who visited me is just too old to try to change. He can't hear well. I don't think he hears half of what is said at KH. I really think he attends for fellowship. It's like a gang. It's where he belongs, no matter how good or bad they treat him.

In all of the conversations we had the first two days, one thing came very apparent. Faith has become reality to him. He can't separate that his thougths of man's/world's existence and afterlife are questions of faith and interpretation. He's very narrowed as the WTS as the only explanation. He had to find a an absolute truth, and only the WTS has the Truth.

So, he finally asked me if I believed in any Truth out there? I said, the world is full of shades of grey, and you are talking about faith. So, he likens faith to gravity!!!! He said, "Well, isn't gravity a Truth." I said, yes, but our scientific understanding of gravity changes with the study of space, black holes, and for instance - the sun. If the sun were to go away, our concept of gravity would change. Science admits to always changing and to testing theories. Under different conditions, the experiment could change. We can test forces of gravity. We have a math equation that works in this world. "

So, he goes on that when I go to the hospital i will need faith. I agreed that every person has intellectual capability and should be building his perception of our origins, the afterlife, etc. But, that is faith of the comlete unknown. It's what makes it f-a-i-t-h. Faiths are not the same. One God is not different then the other.

So, he goes onto how loving 'Jehovah' is. I said, "I think Jehovah's nuts. He commanded a father kill his first-born son." He said, "Well, the angel stopped it." I said sarcastically said "Wow, that makes me feel better." I remind him of all the wars Jehovah made. He reasons that they were for good. I laughed out loud, as a Bible written/compiled in 200 a.d. can write justifications; and each side of a war thinks it's right."

We got into the Bible's origins. No, he's never heard of things like the Book of Eve. He thinks it was written down by the apostles. That is 100% God's word - becuase it says so. I tried to explain circular reasoning.

So, I figured that if I sounded like a complete nut to him, he'd give up. I asked him if he ever heard of the 'Jesus was influenced by Buddhism' theory? He looked down in disgust that I had come so far. I went on & on & on about the PBS documentary based on history . . . .

I think my debunking the Bible (and Jesus as Buddhist) is what finally made him shut up. To him, my version of faith was as wacky as I thought his version of faith was.

Maybe we all thought that way at one time. We melded faith into reality.

I learned that I am free from this cult. I can separate one's faith from reality. They don't have control over me.

Skeeter

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Need Help, Please!

by palmtree67 in

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we got a new dog and he needs a name!

he was abandoned by his family in their back yard when they moved and then was rescued by animal rescue.

he's been fostered for the last 4 months and his foster mom called him martin.

skeeter1

Balboa, Don Juan, Pablo

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12/15/12 Watchower Study Edition - Higher Eduction = Thinking in a "complicated" manner

by yourmomma in

i found this quote from the 12/15/12 p.29 study edition of the watchtower to be hilarious:.

"a college graduate in the united states.

says: i spent 18 years speaking and writing.

skeeter1

Enter Kingdumb Hall, loose brain.

Skeeter

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Talent shows at the KH?

by skeeter1 in

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so, i know of a real talent show that took place at a kingdumb hall about 10 years ago.

there was never another talent show.

but, the jws all loved it and still talk about it.. is there a "rule" or something in the elder's manual about this?

skeeter1

So, i know of a real talent show that took place at a Kingdumb Hall about 10 years ago. There was never another talent show. But, the JWs all loved it and still talk about it.

Is there a "rule" or something in the elder's manual about this? Would it be not following the meeting script?

Ever hear of this?

Skeeter

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Mrs Cedars and I try an interesting diet...

by cedars in

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i guess no matter what country you live in, the costs of food and everything are going up.

it's certainly no different where mrs cedars and i live, and we're noticing a huge increase on our monthly spending for basic commodities - especially food and drink.. normally when we go shopping i tend to stock up on drinks - mostly beer, wine, and fizzy drinks like coke, fanta or sprite.

i tend to be quite picky with my fizzy drinks, and i can't really tolerate cheap "store brand" imitations.

skeeter1

I knew a crazy Baptist fundie who wasn't allowed to drink root beer - because it could be mistaken for real beer.

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Mrs Cedars and I try an interesting diet...

by cedars in

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i guess no matter what country you live in, the costs of food and everything are going up.

it's certainly no different where mrs cedars and i live, and we're noticing a huge increase on our monthly spending for basic commodities - especially food and drink.. normally when we go shopping i tend to stock up on drinks - mostly beer, wine, and fizzy drinks like coke, fanta or sprite.

i tend to be quite picky with my fizzy drinks, and i can't really tolerate cheap "store brand" imitations.

skeeter1

Fizzy drinks with a splash of juice (cranberry, orange, grapefruit, or lemon/lime) is very refreshing. Try it.