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  Finally An Answer to an Evolutionary Question...

  by VioletAnai in

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  this better work:.

  it was a joke!

  and you fell for it like the fascists you are!

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  Too funny Violet .
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  THE THEOLOGY OF TOYS

  by mommy in

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  capitalism - he who dies with the most toys, wins.

  hari krishna - he who plays with the most toys, wins.. .

  judaism - he who buys toys at the lowest price, wins.

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  Very funny, Wendy.
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  Shepherding #1

  by Amazing in

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  introduction: much has been said about the jw judicial committee system, and all the negatives, along with some concurrent shepherding visits.

  the purpose of this short series is to discuss how and why we made shepherding visits, and what those visits were like from the perspective as elders.

  nothing here is designed to be self-serving, self-indulgent, or self-justifying ... it needs to be told from the vantage point of how we felt at the time, and what we thought we were accomplishing ... though blind to the hurt and harm some of this caused.. ps: future installments will eliminate the background, and be shorter.. background: our congregation was known as the armpit of the circuit because of high inactivity, high irregularity.

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  Great post as usual, Amazing. You are an excellent writer.

  All the sheparding visits my family have had (about 5 in my 20 years), have consisted of the elders considering Psalms 73, and then the elders applauding us for being "spiritually strong", i.e. regular in service (except for the last visit, where I was counselled for my irregularity in service, especially given the fact that I was always such a "fine example" of a young person in the congregation who "puts Jehovah first" [8>]). After the second visit went almost like the first, I would jokinly tell my parents we were going to get the "psalms 73 talk", which of course we did. Was this taught at elder school or something ?

  Happy that both you and the woman (who hopefully today is "borgfree") benefitted so much from your visit.
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  A Word about Crackpots

  by JosephAlward in

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  a water bearer in india had two large pots, each hung on the ends of a pole which he carried across his shoulders.

  one of the pots had a crack in it, while the other pot was perfect and always delivered a full portion of water.. .

  at the end of the long walk from the stream to the house, the cracked pot arrived only half full.

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  Nice story Joseph,

  Hell, even the Christains can't give you flack for this post.

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  I scored a 46.......What's your score? :)

  by WildHorses in

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  > > > > this is really fun and very accurate.

  and it takes 2 minutes.. > > > >.

  > > > > take this test for yourself...and send it to your friends, including.

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  41. Mainly accurate, though I never seek to be the "center of attention". A lot of 31-40 qualties as well.

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  Question.......Re Leo Greenlees

  by orangefatcat in

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  i have read and heard here in the forum that one of the members of the govering body was a homosexual and was caught in the act of doing the bad thing at bethel.

  was not disfellowshipped?.

  could someone verify the veracity of this for me.

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  Hey orangefatcat,

  I think this link will be very helpful (started by AlanF):

  . http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=5466&site=3

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  Song 113 - "We are Jehovah's Witnesses"

  by Simon in

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  song 113 - "we are jehovah's witnesses".

  i've seen pics of sharon stone.

  celebreties i'd love to bone.

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  Very funny, Simon.

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  Daughter Going to College this Fall

  by TR in

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  wow.

  my first born baby will be going to college in the fall.

  she will graduate high school and spokane community college this year with an aa degree.

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  Congrats TR, your daughter is obviously a very smart kid to be graduating not only from high school, but also from CC before 18. Man, if I were that lucky, I'd be heading for law school by 20!

  Gonzaga, eh? They had a good run going there as a Cinderella team in the NCAA's for the past couple of years, and of course their only other claim to fame is that arguably the greatest point guard of all time (John Stockton) once went there. Oh yeah, their academic program isn't too bad either.

  I'm just extremely thankful that my JW family is liberal enough to be allowing me to go to college right now. Actually, it's never really been a problem in my family. Unless your daughter is going to a conservative Christain college, there's a good chance she'll get a little more liberal during her college years, so don't go too hard on her . Good luck to your daughter (not a bad looking girl at all )

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  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  Does Knowledge of Evil Condemn Us?

  by JosephAlward in

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  ordinarily i would post this topic in the "bible research" forum, but i found the following on the "friends" forum, in the "tree of what" thread, so i will leave it here.. achristian explains,.

  [when] free people have a knowledge of evil they always, at least briefly, consider doing evil.

  and, even having evil thoughts for a brief fleeting moment makes people less righteous than god.

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  AChristain said:

  I say God made us free so that our love for Him and for others could be true love, being neither forced nor programmed. You say such love from free people who are capable of disobeying God is imperfect love, because you say it is tainted by the evil all free people sometimes do. On the other hand, if God made us all "incorruptible," incapable of disobeying Him, you would surely say that the "love" we then showed for God and others was not real love at all, since we had no choice in showing it.

  C'mon AChristain! God didn't give us "free-will" because if he really did, we would truly be free to choose whether we wanted to worship him or not. And don't say God favouring people who worship him is a way of rewarding them, and therefore not really "punishing" those who don't worship him (like with awarding a Nobel Prize only to those who worked for it). Death is not the default state of man, according to the bible, everlasting life is the default state, and the bible clearly states that God actively punishes those who disobey him (The wages of sin is death, not the reward for not sinning is life). So since in reality God only wants us to worship him one way (he doesn't respect our "free will" choice to not worship him without punishment), then the only purpose of creating us with "free will" is to give us the ability to mess up.

  If you want to say that God is somehow trying to test our loyalty, then fine, but that test is not a loving test. It's the equivalent of me placing 2 glasses of water in front of my child, one good, and one poisonous. I want to test my child to see if he is obedient, so I tell him to only drink from the good glass. If my child were to drink from the poisonous glass, that would prove that he was rebellious. He made a "free will" choice to disobey me. Sure, I could have made it impossible for him to have drank the poisoned water, but how would I have known if he was truly obedient to me or simply doing something because he didn't have a choice? I don't want my child to simply be some "robot" following my orders, the only way I can truly know if my child loves me is to put this test before him. Any judge would understand my story, right?

  I really liked this article discussing the problems of "free will".

  . http://www.americanhumanist.org/humanism/whybad.html
  

  Question of Evil Remains Unanswered
  by David B. McCalmont

  When people who believe in the existence of a kind, all-knowing, and all-powerful god are asked why such a god permits so much cruelty, torture, murder, and war on Earth, the usual answer is that god did not wish to create men and women who were automatons, that s/he wanted human beings to have free will. In exercise of that free will, believers argue, human beings often choose to be violent, cruel, and warlike. God could not prevent this, they say, without making human beings into automatons.

  Not so. An all-knowing god would have known in advance that, if s/he created people like Genghis Khan, Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, or Jack the Ripper, these people would personally, or by inciting others, inflict injustice, violence, torture and death upon other human beings. To prevent this, god need only have refrained from creating these evil individuals. God had the power to do that without in any way preventing other human beings from exercising their free will.

  You and I do not feel that we have been made into automatons because our federal and state governments forbid us to murder, rape, or maim other people, or steal or destroy their property. On the contrary, we still have plenty of leeway for exercise of our free will. Similarly, human beings would not have been turned into automatons if the alleged god had placed the same kind of reasonable limits upon their exercise of free will.

  Consider also the terrible suffering which is inflicted upon human beings by hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanic eruptions, and drought. These painful calamities are obviously not caused by our exercise of free will. Yet, the alleged kind, all-knowing, and all- powerful god permits them to occur. This is an additional reason why the asserted need to give human beings free will cannot serve as an excuse for the pain and suffering endured by millions of people in this unhappy world.

  Sometimes the people killed or maimed by an accident or natural disaster turn out to have been criminals. When this happens, believers happily proclaim that their misfortune was arranged by god as a punishment -- even though millions of other evil-doers escape such godly retribution.

  On the other hand, if some of the victims turn out to have been persons of admirable character, believers then assert that they died because they were SO good that god desired their company up in Heaven!

  By this mental legerdemain, believers can cling to their precarious faith. But people with common sense are not impressed.

  NOTE: It has also been of great interest to me that those who experience a close call in a catastrophe, the survivors of plane crashes, etc., are the source of great praise to the almighty when those who perish in these same disasters do not evoke any blame to this same deity.

  
  What you describe as "God's need to know if our love is pure" is clearly inconsistent with real love for his creation.

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  waiting ... sorry there's nothing for 5,000

  by Simon in

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  i just noticed that you're over 5,000 posts!.

  of course the only thing beyond supreme one is supreme, supreme one.. maybe i should just wait until someone else joins you and larc and then we can make jokes about you all being the supremes ... i'll let you fight it out among yourselves as to who wants to be diana ross .

  thanks for all you have contributed to the forum

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  Very Supreme One?

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!