Posts by crownboy

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Do you really need liquor at a wedding reception?

by ronin1 in

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this is in response to the post on december 10, : "a wedding gone bad"-.

the question: do you really need liquor at a wedding reception?.

here is my story:.

crownboy

Do you really need liquor at a wedding reception?

Of course you don't need liquor at a wedding reception, but I genuinely see no reason why there should necessarily not be any. Most people who drink liquor at weddings/parties, in general don't get stoned drunk and act as irresponsibly as that Witness in the thread you were referring to did (or, if you are like me, you don't drink at all, except for a little champagne or wine once in a while). So while there can be reasonable fear that an "incident" could occur at your wedding if you serve alcohol, it doesn't mean that one will. You could just as easily give your guest accidental food poisoning at your wedding, that doesn't mean you should eliminate food .

In the end, it comes down to a personal decision. You made a decision not to have alcohol at yours; and your wedding and after party turned out great, and I'm glad it did for you (and congrats on being married for 8 years ). Every wedding I've attended has had alcohol served at it, and I've never seen anyone act as stupid as the JW in that other thread, infact, not even close. So, I guess as far as I'm concerned, a wedding would be good with or without alcohol, because there are other things that can be done besides drinking, but including drinking isn't bad in itself also.

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Jehovah or God is blood thirsty

by MrMoe in

second kings, we learn that menahem, leader of the israelites, smote all the people who refused to follow him and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up (2 kings 15:16).

later, in hosea, we learn that because the land of samaria rejected god, samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her god: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up (hosea 13:16).

hosea decided to carry out gods vengeance on the people by killing the unborn babies carried by the heathen women.

crownboy

rem said:

Jehovah is a jackass.

Don't disparage jackasses, rem.

Not only is God bloodthristy, but he is very inconsistent; he plays favourties alot. Like remember that guy who touched the ark of the covenant just as it was about to fall and got killed by God for it? Even David (a murderer in his own right, who also almost killed a man who simply asked for verification of David and his gang's sheep caring claims before any payment would be given) was mad and thought such a thing was too excessive. Yet David himself killed a man, commited adultery, and not only got his life spared despite commiting both acts, but his children were made to suffer for him (poor stillborn child ).

MrMoe, jack2 was referring to this passge in Judges chptr. 19: (NIV bible)

22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him."
23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing."
25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.
27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 28 He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.
29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel. 30 Everyone who saw it said, "Such a thing has never been seen or done, not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt. Think about it! Consider it! Tell us what to do!"

After that incident, God had most of the Benjaminite men killed, hence the reason the situation in Chap. 21 occured. Truly, who can deny this is a god of love?

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Is God just teasing us?

by joannadandy in

ok yesterday i was talking to my dad (moe's thread reminded me) he said something about how bad satan was...and said, yeah but "wasn't it eve and adam's fault?

i mean yeah satan laid out the sales pitch but they could have said no.

you know gone home, talked it over with god, it wasn't even that high pressured a sales pitch.

crownboy

For those of you not familiar with JosephAlward, unless he has had a major belief change recently, he's mearly playing Devil's advocate on this thread. I have to agree with his observation, though. Obviously, the "selective foreknowledge" scenario (I remember my mom having a talk on this topic once. I thought it was pretty lame back then, too.) gives God a very convienient out in this case, but it is perfectly possible for a God who can have knowledge of the future to choose not to do so. It makes him incompetent and foolish for not doing so and checking the possible consequences of his actions, though (I'm sure most JW's wouldn't want God painted this way ), and he certainly isn't anywhere near close off the hook with the totally silly "free will" argument.

joannadandy, I've had similar thoughts to yours on this subject for a long time now. I always thought the entire "bet with the Devil" scenario was a bit sophomoric for the all powerful, all wise God of the universe. Punishing the entire human race for the sins of 2 people? Sometimes I wonder how I even managed to believe alot of this stuff to begin with.

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Cute Bible Joke

by Billygoat in

a new pastor moved into town and went out one saturday to visit some parishioners.

all went well till he came to one house.

it was obvious that someone was home, but no one came to the door even after he had knocked several times.

crownboy

Funny.

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Do you still read the bible?

by JH in

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not going to the meetings anymore, do you still feel the need to read god's word?

edited by - jh on 5 december 2002 14:52:45.

crownboy

Do you still read the bible?

Sure I do, but since I don't believe any of it is inspired by some supernatural deity, I read it as the man made book it is. I'm trying to get around to also reading the Apocrypha and the Gnostic text as well, as I find these text to be very interesting (I'd like to work in the Quaran into my reading list, as well). I plan on registering for a class entitled "Literature of the Bible" next term, so that ought to be interesting.

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Donkey's never-ending atheism thread

by donkey in

wih the permission of simon, i would like to start a thread to act as a collection of thought, quotes and miscellany on atheism and agnosticism.

there are so many other threads on this subject but no one place which one can go to on here.

i have much to share - enjoy and contribute with me please.give me the storm and stress of thought and action rather than the dead calm of ignorance and faith.

crownboy

Hey donkey, I love Ingersol's writing's as well. He had a quote that in effect said that religion does not civilize man, but rather man civilizes religion. That's as true a statement as there can be.

freedom96 said:

What I meant is that if indeed we do go to heaven, (which I do) what would we say for ourselves if we didn't believe? Ooops? Just seems to me that we would have some explaining to do.

Well, if your god is as resonable as you guys claim he is, he will understand that I meant him no malice by not believing in him. He would know that I all he needed to do was provide me with sufficent evidence and valid reasons as to why I should worship him while I was on earth (being an all mighty god, he knows what that would entail). I wouldn't feel bad in anyway, because I was honest and sincere in my (non) belief; my decision being a product of logical reasoning and a genuine search for truth. If he's as loving and reasonable a guy as believers claim, this should be enough for him to let me into heaven .

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Who is coloured?

by Defender in

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this was written by a black guy in texas .

when i born, i black.

when i grow up, i black.

crownboy

deddaisy asked:

Is there a difference between a white guy with a black woman and a black man with a white woman?

In my observation, I've seen more white people bothered by the latter, and more black people bothered by the former, though I think alot of black folks are also bothered by black guys/ white women relationships as well.

Edited by - crownboy on 30 November 2002 17:35:7

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Who is coloured?

by Defender in

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this was written by a black guy in texas .

when i born, i black.

when i grow up, i black.

crownboy

Funny opening post, Defender, I'm certain you didn't mean for it to take such a serious turn.

I think I've seen those stats before bigboi, thanks for posting them here, they are truly telling.

I figured LuckyLucky was trying so say that the different races had different physical characterics such as negroes having kinky hair, etc. Alot of the stuff you're talking about seems to depend on societal and social circumstances, IMO.

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Super Bowl Predictions

by WildTurkey in

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im a huge cowboy fan but i dont think they will make it to the super bowl, damn sure would love to be wrong.

ok here is who i think as of right now pittsburgh stealers and san francisco 49ers and god i hate them both, well thats my pick how about you?

crownboy

LOL @ Heaven.

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Super Bowl Predictions

by WildTurkey in

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im a huge cowboy fan but i dont think they will make it to the super bowl, damn sure would love to be wrong.

ok here is who i think as of right now pittsburgh stealers and san francisco 49ers and god i hate them both, well thats my pick how about you?

crownboy

Wow, dubla, that's a pretty telling story of Sapp you posted. He's always been one of my favourite players, but that story definitely makes me think of him in a different light. I supposed he could have been having a bad day, but that's still no way to act. If Jay Fiedler did that to you, would you give Favre his deserved props then ?

Yeah, you guys do control things as you stated, but a stunning upset by the hapless Minnesota Vikings in a couple of weeks ought to get you guys into the late season talespin that hopefully is due .

And what's up with the relationship between Favre and Sapp anyway? I mean exchanging pleasantries during the game? Lombardi is probably rolling in his grave . They need to get a room already .