A question for all.
If you offered all JWs $2,000,000 each to leave the Org, how many JWs would we have at the end of this process?
I think that the real die hards are about 50%. So I think about 3,000,000 JW will go for it.
What's interesting is if you got them to read posts on this website all 6,000,000 would find a reason to take the money and let the GB scratch their heads!!
Spectrum
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JW's and the lottery
by cheen inanyone hear of or know of any jw's or exjw's who've won a large lottery prize?............i know of one jw who won close to half a million $us dollars and now he's like "jehovah who?...whos jehovah?
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JW's and the lottery
by cheen inanyone hear of or know of any jw's or exjw's who've won a large lottery prize?............i know of one jw who won close to half a million $us dollars and now he's like "jehovah who?...whos jehovah?
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Dansk,
"I believe purchasing shares is a form of gambling because it is not a definite certainty that they will increase in value. However, Watchtower published an article stating that it wasn't gambling - then I found out about all the shares it invested in!!!!! Hypocrisy? You bet! BIG TIME!!"
Shares are definitely gambling. JWs will tell you shares are a form of investment but ask any seasoned stockbroker and he'll tell you it's unadulterated gambling. The only way JWs can spin it to sound ok is by saying that it's just another method of increasing your capital like opening a new business - it's a gamble whether it survives or not but then the lottery becomes a legitimate form of making money.
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JW's and the lottery
by cheen inanyone hear of or know of any jw's or exjw's who've won a large lottery prize?............i know of one jw who won close to half a million $us dollars and now he's like "jehovah who?...whos jehovah?
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My JW brother-in-law would take the money in a blink of the eye. He can't wait for me to win it. When I questioned him he said, "what's it got to do with me I didn't gamble, if your generous enough to give this money then it's no sin on my part."
Is he doctrinally safe with that approach?
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Do you brag?
by sandy ini find this to be one of the most unattractive traits a person can have.
i mean sure we all get excited when something good happens to us or someone we love and we want to share it with others.
but i hate it when people try to glorify themselves.
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Do people with low self-esteem brag to cover the fact that they have this problem?
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JWs - Prudes or not Prudes?
by Spectrum ini was looking at jwconnections out of curiosity thinking i'd find a selection of prudish jw women but was shocked to find that some of these women don't look prudish at all.
they'ed probably give worldly women a run for their money.
maybe things are changing.
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" And there are some very pretty JWs in my congregation who have not found anyone, probably because they are college-educated/very intelligent. "
But these are attractive features, how would that impede them from find a mate. Pretty and clever that is a good combination in my books. -
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Who was Jesus really?
by Spectrum in1. was he the son of god and some kind of god himself?
2. was he an extremely intelligent man that manipulated people and made himself appear to be fullfilling the prophecies about the messiah?
3. was he a dellusional nutter?
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Skyman,
Thanks for that. Very facinating. But is it just another wacky theory or does it stand up to strong scholarly scrutiny?
"In your link above how does the author Know this?"
I think by reading the bias of the text you can tell who it is aimed at if aimed at anyone at all.
Narkissos is good at this stuff. I think in his posts he alluded to this kind of knowledge so it's not so far fetched.
"That is total conjecture he don’t know what the author is doing is leading you to a point of his choosing."
The above is a very important point that you make. I really despise it when I am manipulted by peoples argument only to find out later that I have been mislead and my brain filled with nonsense. It's happened to ne in the past and I resist that strongly now as a consequence I sometimes throw the baby out with the bath water.
Judas Khrestus - Never heard of this guy what do the Romans say about him. Would he not be big news in Christendom? I don't think that the Romans would concern themselves with the real Christ because they had an Empire to run. Internal jewish religious affairs even if they understood them probably didn't interest them.
Regarding Thomas, are you talking about the apocrypha. It's because it wasn't in agreement that it was left out. It just didn't fit in with the vision of the bible and NT. -
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Who was Jesus really?
by Spectrum in1. was he the son of god and some kind of god himself?
2. was he an extremely intelligent man that manipulated people and made himself appear to be fullfilling the prophecies about the messiah?
3. was he a dellusional nutter?
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Skyman,
I don't doubt that their are contradictions in the NT just that what was handed down from scribe to scribe was quite faithfully copied. At least that's what I heard.
I think now most scholars put Jesus's birth at 6/7 BC. They are pretty confident that that is quite accurate. I don't know if that would tally with your other points.
Regarding Matthew try the link below.
http://www.probe.org/content/view/678/77/
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The WBTS really is a dangerous organization
by pratt1 in.
it has been well documented that some extreme cults have be able to isolate their memebers and then have them kill themselves because of their beliefs.. the dubs has always looked at these cults as being mislead by the devil and the dubs would never do anything as drastic a mass suicide.. however as a child i remember thinking that at the begining of the great tribulation, the fds might tell us to run, or congragate somewhere isolated and we would actually leave with on the clothes on our back, and anyone not heeding this warning would be killed at the battle of "armefogotten".. if the fds could get the dubs to leave their home and familes, bascially their lives behind, isn't it just a small stretch to think that a desicion to end ones earthly life could be the next request?.
also remember that particularily the jim jones event, some members had to be physically forced to drink the kool - aid while others freely drank.. does anyone else think that because of the power that the wbts has over it memebers, if they decided to do something drastic, many of the members would just blindly comply?
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Skyman,
" GUESS What they all said yes. I asked ny brother the same question he said yes."
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"Misquoting Jesus" - New Book by Ehrman
by sir82 inthis book was just published in the last month or so, i'm about 1/2 of the way through it.. the author describes the difficulty in discerning what exactly really were the original, right-from-the-pen words of the original writers of the new testament.
basically, the oldest surviving manuscripts were written decades, in some cases centuries, after the originals.
all copies were made by hand by untrained amateur copyists for the first 3 centuries after the books were written (until professional scribes started copying).. by comparing the thousands of ancient hand-copied manuscripts that still exist, there have been found anywhere from 200,000 to 400,000 distinct errors in the copying process.
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How can you possibly have more mistakes than words in your text? Read other books to get a balanced view. Where is your proof? Post some.
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Who was Jesus really?
by Spectrum in1. was he the son of god and some kind of god himself?
2. was he an extremely intelligent man that manipulated people and made himself appear to be fullfilling the prophecies about the messiah?
3. was he a dellusional nutter?
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Hondo,
I've never heard of these thousands of nutters claiming to be the Messiah. Are you sure?
But you are right we have to start with the correct premise otherwise we are BSing ourselves.
Skyman,
I thought that the NT was pretty accurately handed down. Apparently very few mistakes were introduced. The problem is that they were written some time after Christ where events could not be corroborated, also Paul came along and possibly added his own flavour of Christianity.