Posts by Spectrum

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Intelligent Design and Real World Nastiness

by TD in

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the concept of intelligent design in every form that ive run across contains as a basic premise, the benevolence of the "intelligence" behind the design.

please dont misunderstand; i'm not faulting proponents of id for this.

any other id scenario involving a supreme being is frankly too depressing to contemplate.

Spectrum

TD,

"The concept of intelligent design in every form that I’ve run across contains as a basic premise, the benevolence of the "Intelligence" behind the design. Please don’t misunderstand; I'm not faulting proponents of ID for this. Any other ID scenario involving a Supreme Being is frankly too depressing to contemplate. However the task of reconciling the idea of a munificent Designer with the reality of life is is not without a few hurdles."

Let me knock down some of those hurdles for you.

The whole premise of your argument against ID is the human concept of good and bad. I say forget about good and bad and think about what you are expounding again. It makes absolutely no inroads into debunking a Creator regardless of what attributes you might want to force on him.

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Anybody on a diet?

by MsMcDucket in

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i'm on a diet and so far i've been hanging in there.

i have a minimal goal weight and a maximum goal weight.

if you are on a diet, what do you do to keep yourself motivated to staying on the diet.

Spectrum

Ms McDucket,

From experience the best longest lasting and healthiest diet is just a natural balanced diet.

I was 90kg (5'11") and I got down to 70Kg in a year and a half but I was eating most of what I wanted including chocolates and cakes which I love. At 70kg everybody told me I looked ill so I put on another 5/6kg. I have been that weight now for 10 years and never starved myself. I do run a couple of times a week. I burn about 1000 calories a week from running. You don't have to run but you have to be active. I enjoy running so I run.

calories in - calories burned = what you'll look like in 6 months.

Find out what you metabolic rate is and then eat a balanced diet accordingly.

Balanced diet should include fruit and vegetables pulses, lots of them, pasta, brown rice, bread, any kind of meat cooked any kind of way but use olive oil, lots of fish.
Cook it mediterranean style and watch your quantity and nature will do its work.

Stay away from pre-pack supermarket food they pack them with crap. There is a whole industry and science dedicated to adulterating food. It's just a supermarket trick to make more money out of you and ruin your health in the process.

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So were any bible prophecies true?

by cheeseman in

i'm just wondering to what extent the bible accurately predicted future events?.

when i was a good little jw, i was constantly reassured that we could have confidence in the paradise because the bible always got it's predictions correct since it was inspired by jah, blah, blah.. does anyone know of a good website which critically examines each bible prophecy one by one?

what do real bible scholars with no bias make off all these prophecies?.

Spectrum

Drew,

why do you believe in the prophesies regarding the Messiah? Apparently Jesus knew the scripture very well. Is it not logical that he could have enacted those prophesies one by one in a delibrate manner?
Nevermind the fact that none of it was written during his life time - though not sure how relevant that is. What do the 1st century Jews say about Christ?

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Blood and sacrifice alternative view point

by Spectrum in

from the jw point of view as 'christians' they are bound by all the new and some old testament laws.

it would be a farce if they copped out every time things got hard, they might as well have a corporate merger with the catholics.

acts 15:20 clearly states that the new christians that are being recruited should abstain from blood amongst other things.

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AudSoul,

It seems that Christ himself would have administered a blood transfusion on the sabbath nevermind any other day of the week in order to save a life. If the sabbath could be broken to save a life then why not the use-of-blood law - even though we know that it did not include transfusions.

It's clear that JWs have got this totally wrong.

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Blood and sacrifice alternative view point

by Spectrum in

from the jw point of view as 'christians' they are bound by all the new and some old testament laws.

it would be a farce if they copped out every time things got hard, they might as well have a corporate merger with the catholics.

acts 15:20 clearly states that the new christians that are being recruited should abstain from blood amongst other things.

Spectrum

Interesting thesis TD,

I say to myself abstain from blood? The question would then be how? Don't jump in it, don't touch it, don't drink it and so on.

Is it not the letter that was sent that didn't supply the context? But the context is supplied in the rest of the Bible ie as food.

But Paul also tells us that the Spirit and Grace of Christ are what really counts, what we eat including blood is not important.

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Picture Change in the Live Forever Book

by LDH in

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does anyone remember when the picture of the married couple was changed in the live forever book?.

it was the chapter on marriage, and there was this one picture of a hottie basically posing in a provocative picture on the bed, hair askew, beckoning her husband to join her.

she was going to render her due.

Spectrum

Nobody has answered the question to paragraph 19 next the hot sis.

How can marriage mates obtain the greatest enjoyment from sexual relations?

Here's mine.

Get her kit off for a start. The chair is OK though.

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Blood and sacrifice alternative view point

by Spectrum in

from the jw point of view as 'christians' they are bound by all the new and some old testament laws.

it would be a farce if they copped out every time things got hard, they might as well have a corporate merger with the catholics.

acts 15:20 clearly states that the new christians that are being recruited should abstain from blood amongst other things.

Spectrum

Narcissos,

I didn't realise that the sanctity of life was upheld by the Jews, because stoning was the order of the day. Was there not a story in the OT of a man who was stoned for breaking the sabbath? Christ's values are far superior to Jehovah Laws.

As for your point, does early rabinical understanding of scripture bear any relevance to christians of then and today?

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Blood and sacrifice alternative view point

by Spectrum in

from the jw point of view as 'christians' they are bound by all the new and some old testament laws.

it would be a farce if they copped out every time things got hard, they might as well have a corporate merger with the catholics.

acts 15:20 clearly states that the new christians that are being recruited should abstain from blood amongst other things.

Spectrum

Many thanks to all that contributed to this thread. I thought it wasn't going to get off the ground as it's a common issue and I can understand that people will be fed up with going round in circles. So thanks for your patients and superb information.

These are my conclusions from a proper enlightened view point:

The blood issue was definitely from Mosiac Law that was superceded by the death of Christ therefore no longer applied. It is mentioned in Acts as a way of not stumbling the hifaluting jewish christians.

Christ teaching of love and kindness was now the supreme Law and the sanctity of life to be protected by it.

Paul was willing to eat food sacrificed to idols nevermind taking a BT if he needed to if he lived today. The Grace a Christ and the bigger picture was more important to him than the temperament of Jewish Christains that could not shake the monkey off their back therefore actually themselves not in keeping with the spirit of Christianity.

I started this thread by saying that JW are following the scripture to the death and should therefore be admired and not criticised. Someone wrote they are ignorant and should be felt sorry for instead of admired. I agree with that now because their sacrifice is a waste.
They've been completely mis-informed and they have bought it hook, line and sinker and worse spreading this bad news to new recruits.

This issue more than anything to me has exposed the WTBTS as charlatan organistion. On the issue of blood at best they are a headless chicken and at worst criminally culpable.

It has also shown that they are a Judiac religion rather than a Christian one. They have done exactly what the Pharasees did when they took the Law and wrapped their own laws around it to suit them. Well the GB has done the same thing with Christ Law.

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Blood and sacrifice alternative view point

by Spectrum in

from the jw point of view as 'christians' they are bound by all the new and some old testament laws.

it would be a farce if they copped out every time things got hard, they might as well have a corporate merger with the catholics.

acts 15:20 clearly states that the new christians that are being recruited should abstain from blood amongst other things.

Spectrum

jwfacts,

Thanks alot of that it was most enlightening and conclusive. Your research is really top notch. I've bookmarked it and I'm going to show it to my JW relatives. Hopefully they won't think of it as an apostate sight.

I tried to have a third discussion about it with my 15 year old JW niece last night but she cut me short with "It's in the bible", shrugged her shoulders and changed subject.

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Blood and sacrifice alternative view point

by Spectrum in

from the jw point of view as 'christians' they are bound by all the new and some old testament laws.

it would be a farce if they copped out every time things got hard, they might as well have a corporate merger with the catholics.

acts 15:20 clearly states that the new christians that are being recruited should abstain from blood amongst other things.

Spectrum

Narkissos,

You make an excellent point regarding the healing on the sabbath incident. Jesus clearly states that saving a life and showing kindness is more important than keeping the Law. I think that this on it's own is the clincher.

Thanks