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  Whose religion is WORSE than JW's?

  by gaiagirl in

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  thought it might be interesting to put a perspective on things.

  while many here have had terrible experiences at the hands of jw's and the wtbts, are there religions that you know of which are any worse?

  for example, jw's might disfellowship a member who became known as a thief, but they don't chop off your hand.

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  freydi

  All the rest.
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  CULTS - need some captions ... (Look! Fun inside!)

  by sacolton in

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  http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult...guru_right
  
  1. The Guru is always right.
  
  The Guru, his church, and his teachings are always right, and above criticism, and beyond reproach.
  
  In some cults, the guru is dead, but the principle is the same. I use the word "guru" loosely here; in many cults the charismatic leader has the title of minister, priest, yogi,(GB Member), swami, prophet, or all-knowing wise man. Or even, "Chairman Mao." In any case, the leader is always right.
  
  Likewise, the teachings of the guru are always right, and when he dies, his writings become holy scriptures, infallible and unquestionable. And the guru's church is always right, and the guru's successors are always right, and everything about the cult is always right.
  
  Jeffrey Masson had this to say about phony gurus:
  
  Every guru claims to know something you cannot know by yourself or through ordinary channels. All gurus promise access to a hidden reality if only you will follow their teaching, accept their authority, hand your life over to them. Certain questions are off limits. There are things you cannot know about the guru and the guru's personal life. Every doubt about the guru is a reflection of your own unworthiness, or the influence of an external evil force. The more obscure the action of the guru, the more likely it is to be right, to be cherished. Ultimately you cannot admire the guru, you must worship him. You must obey him, you must humble yourself, for the greater he is, the less you are -- until you reach the inner circle and can start abusing other people the way your guru abused you. All this is in the very nature of being a guru.
  My Father's Guru, Jeffrey Masson, 1993, page 173.
  
  There is one big disadvantage for the guru when the cult declares that he is perfect -- he has to act that way, and at least do a good job of faking it. If he is found to be stealing all of the money and screwing all of the girls, it can hurt his believability. A few cults have a clever work-around that spares the cult leader from having to be perfect: Somebody Else, like a dead saint, or an angel, or Jesus, or the Virgin Mary, is the perfect one, and the cult leader merely "channels" the Perfect Master's messages. In that way, what the leader says is still unquestionably true and unchallengeable, because it comes from a Higher Power, but the cult leader can indulge in all of the pleasures of the flesh himself without creating a contradiction. After all, he never said that he was perfect, or any more holy than anybody else. He is just more attuned to the Higher Spheres, and able to hear the Voice of a Higher Power...
  
  
  2. You are always wrong.
  The individual members of the cult are told that they are inherently small, weak, stupid, ignorant, and sinful. Cult members are routinely criticized, shamed, ridiculed, discounted, diminished, and told in dozens of ways that they are not good enough.
  
  "Men, in order to do evil, must first believe that what they are doing is good." == Alexander Solzhenitsyn
  
  
  82. Denial of the truth. Reversal of reality. Rationalization and Denial.
  
  A cult is an assemblage of people who don't want to know the truth. They often claim that they do; they may talk about "Seeking the Truth", or "Seeking to Understand the Word of the Lord", or even "having the Truth", but they actually do not want to hear the truth. They just want their own beliefs and superstitions confirmed.
  
  Cults:
  
  * reject the truth,
  * deny the truth,
  * won't hear the truth,
  * don't tell the truth,
  * ignore the truth,
  * dislike the truth,
  * abhor the truth,
  * avoid honest, intelligent discussions of the truth,
  * and even lie about telling the truth.
  
  Cult leaders often practice what psychologists call projection -- just accuse 'the enemy' of committing whatever crimes and sins the cult leader is actually committing. That's another aspect of reversal of reality.
  
  Cults are quick to deny the truth whenever they are the subject of valid criticism.
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  jw spy network

  by freydi in

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  heard about the catholic church having the biggest spy organization in the world.

  remind you of jw elders?

  and their informants?

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  Heard about the catholic church having the biggest spy organization in the world. Remind you of jw elders? And their informants?
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  "How The Governing Body Is Organized" - WT May 15 2008

  by BluesBrother in

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  2. bible

  i know this was covered in fokyc's posting of the whole mag, but i felt it was worth showing seperately.

  it gives an insight into how they work these days.. .

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  I wonder how they claim the fds is organized.
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  How Many Cannot Tell What Really Happened

  by freydi in

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  even though you're out?

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  Even though you're out?
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  Do You Miss Loved Ones But.......

  by freydi in

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  are you glad they'r gone?

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  Are you glad they'r gone?
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  YouTube Videos That Move You

  by RAYZORBLADE in

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  we've all got songs .

  i'm not so much a movie/film affeciando, but i know many are.. music is more my forte.. i've been delving back deep into music i once used to listen to not only as a little boy, but also the time while a jw (1977-1984); post-jw and of course, years leading up closer to where i am now.. any recommendations?.

  i noticed on some threads, that some youtube videos started right away; i liked that.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWNoiVrJDsE&feature=related
  
  Little Connie along with Paul Potts
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  Memorial conundrum - "So good to see you. Where have you been?"

  by Meeting Junkie No More in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ok, gearing up for the memorial - our annual have to attend.

  this is the first year that we will be showing up without having been to meetings in months.

  on the last meeting i was cajoled into attending, i was bombarded with the above question.

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  Ask why they are having the Memorial a month before Passover and what they're going to be doing Easter?
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  A question for those still in about the new anointed #'s

  by lovelylil in

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  2. friends

  how are the rank and file reacting to the news that the anointed numbers they have been waiting decades for to decrease, are actually increasing?

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  are there any murmerings about this in your hall?

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  What do you think would happen if say they had 200,000 partakers?
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  Jehovah's Witnesses - A Hijacked Religion

  by B_Deserter in

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  2. friends

  the more and more i read about the history of the witnesses, the more i don't see them as one in the same as charles t. russell's religion.

  i think the religious movement from 1874 to 1916 was completely different than the one from 1918 to now.

  rutherford is the real founder of jehovah's witnesses.

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  "One here and one there." We're not talking large numbers.