Posts by freydi

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How do you leave?

by helenhall in

when every single person you know is a witness, how do you leave?

has anybody here left, and had nobody on the outside.

because that's where i would be.

freydi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO-b65W-zQs&feature=user

interview that shows the hold of the borg - even after you leave

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it came to me while i`m watching afl today ( ozzie football ), back in the 60`s / 70`s during the football season many bro`s elders and ms plus the r&f would have transistor radios glued to their ears listening to the commentary of the main game with one ear and the other taking in the scheduled program.

of the district assembly .was this just an ozzie experince ?

or did it happen in europe (soccer ) & usa (baseball / gridiron ) i know i did sneak out to a pub to watch the grand final one year then came back for the final program a little guilty.

freydi

Sport is religion.

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Apostate funeral

by Samuel Thorsen in

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have you ever been to an apostate funeral?

was it in the spirit of the dead person or did the did the dub-family and congo "steal it" with their usual promotion talk and kingdom melodies?.

how would you like your own or your apostate family members funeral to be?

freydi

The funeral stone.
>
> Sam died. His will provided $30,000 for an elaborate funeral. As the
> last guests departed the affair, his wife, Sarah turned to her oldest
> and dearest friend.
>
> "Well, I'm sure Sam would be pleased," she said.
>
> "I'm sure you're right," replied Jody, who lowered her voice and
> leaned in close. "How much did this really cost?"
>
> "All of it," said Sarah . "Thirty thousand."
>
> "No!" Jody exclaimed. "I mean, it was very nice, but $30,000?"
>
> Sarah answered, "The funeral was $6,500. I donated $500 to the
> synagogue. The whiskey, wine and snacks were another $500. The rest
> went for the Memorial Stone."
>
> Jody computed quickly. "$22,500 for a Memorial Stone?
> My God, how big is it?"
>
>
>
> "Two and a half carats."

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God has a plan?!

by *Incubus in

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something i cant comprehend is when religous types justify terrible things as part of "gods plan".

how does this make sense to anyone?im just interested in others viewpoints.

freydi

I think it's a lot like the Star Trek "Non-intervention Policy" except when absolutely necessary.

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The Bible Students still exist!!

by cultswatter in

remember the dubs were called the bible students before rutherford gave them the name jehovahs witnesses.

it looks like there was a split and some of the bible students never accepted that name.

look at this site will ya.

freydi

Ditto

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The Bible Students still exist!!

by cultswatter in

remember the dubs were called the bible students before rutherford gave them the name jehovahs witnesses.

it looks like there was a split and some of the bible students never accepted that name.

look at this site will ya.

freydi

The Bible Students never went away. They just went into the wilderness to continue the work of the Harvest unnoticed by the world while the jw's under Rutherfraud were meddling in politics and paying a very heavy price just like today when they decided to become UN members under the ruse of needing a library card.

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WARNING: Baptism Guilt Talk coming to a K Hall near you in April.

by Open mind in

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friends

just a heads up to anyone who might still attend the occasional meeting, there's gonna be a major guilt talk on the service meeting during the week starting april 7, 2008. it's entitled "why put off baptism?

" (kinda weirdly worded title if you ask me.

sounds like it would be a list of good reasons to put it off.

freydi

Somebody should make the comment that baptism and partaking of emblems is only for anointed, and that there are no examples of children being baptized in the Bible.

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The Cult Test

by freydi in

* 27. you can't tell the truth.

* 50. demands for total faith and total trust .

* 82. denial of the truth.

freydi

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q8.html*

* 1. The Guru is always right.
* 2. You are always wrong.
* 3. No Exit.
* 4. No Graduates.
* 5. Cult-speak.
* 6. Group-think, Suppression of Dissent, and Enforced Conformity in Thinking
* 7. Irrationality.
* 8. Suspension of disbelief.
* 9. Denigration of competing sects, cults, religions...
* 10. Personal attacks on critics.
* 11. Insistence that the cult is THE ONLY WAY.
* 12. The cult and its members are special.
* 13. Induction of guilt, and the use of guilt to manipulate cult members.
* 14. Unquestionable Dogma, Sacred Science, and Infallible Ideology.
* 15. Indoctrination of members.
* 16. Appeals to "holy" or "wise" authorities.
* 17. Instant Community.
* 18. Instant Intimacy.
* 19. Surrender To The Cult.
* 20. Giggly wonderfulness and starry-eyed faith.
* 21. Personal testimonies of earlier converts.
* 22. The cult is self-absorbed.
* 23. Dual Purposes, Hidden Agendas, and Ulterior Motives.
* 24. Aggressive Recruiting.
* 25. Deceptive Recruiting.
* 26. No Humor.
* 27. You Can't Tell The Truth.
* 28. Cloning -- You become a clone of the cult leader or other elder cult members.
* 29. You must change your beliefs to conform to the group's beliefs.
* 30. The End Justifies The Means.
* 31. Dishonesty, Deceit, Denial, Falsification, and Rewriting History.
* 32. Different Levels of Truth.
* 33. Newcomers can't think right.
* 34. The Cult Implants Phobias.
* 35. The Cult is Money-Grubbing.
* 36. Confession Sessions.
* 37. A System of Punishments and Rewards.
* 38. An Impossible Superhuman Model of Perfection.
* 39. Mentoring.
* 40. Intrusiveness.
* 41. Disturbed Guru, Mentally Ill Leader.
* 42. Disturbed Members, Mentally Ill Followers.
* 43. Create a sense of powerlessness, covert fear, guilt, and dependency.
* 44. Dispensed existence
* 45. Ideology Over Experience, Observation, and Logic
* 46. Keep them unaware that there is an agenda to change them
* 47. Thought-Stopping Language. Thought-terminating clichés and slogans.
* 48. Mystical Manipulation
* 49. The guru or the group demands ultra-loyalty and total committment.
* 50. Demands for Total Faith and Total Trust
* 51. Members Get No Respect. They Get Abused.
* 52. Inconsistency. Contradictory Messages
* 53. Hierarchical, Authoritarian Power Structure, and Social Castes
* 54. Front groups, masquerading recruiters, hidden promoters, and disguised propagandists
* 55. Belief equals truth
* 56. Use of double-binds
* 57. The cult leader is not held accountable for his actions.
* 58. Everybody else needs the guru to boss him around, but nobody bosses the guru around.
* 59. The guru criticizes everybody else, but nobody criticizes the guru.
* 60. Dispensed truth and social definition of reality
* 61. The Guru Is Extra-Special.
* 62. Flexible, shifting morality
* 63. Separatism
* 64. Inability to tolerate criticism
* 65. A Charismatic Leader
* 66. Calls to Obliterate Self
* 67. Don't Trust Your Own Mind.
* 68. Don't Feel Your Own Feelings.
* 69. The cult takes over the individual's decision-making process.
* 70. You Owe The Group.
* 71. We Have The Panacea.
* 72. Progressive Indoctrination and Progressive Commitments
* 73. Magical, Mystical, Unexplainable Workings
* 74. Trance-Inducing Practices
* 75. New Identity -- Redefinition of Self -- Revision of Personal History
* 76. Membership Rivalry
* 77. True Believers
* 78. Scapegoating and Excommunication
* 79. Promised Powers or Knowledge
* 80. It's a con. You don't get the promised goodies.
* 81. Hypocrisy
* 82. Denial of the truth. Reversal of reality. Rationalization and Denial.
* 83. Seeing Through Tinted Lenses
* 84. You can't make it without the cult.
* 85. Enemy-making and Devaluing the Outsider
* 86. The cult wants to own you.
* 87. Channelling or other occult, unchallengeable, sources of information.
* 88. They Make You Dependent On The Group.
* 89. Demands For Compliance With The Group
* 90. Newcomers Need Fixing.
* 91. Use of the Cognitive Dissonance Technique.
* 92. Grandiose existence. Bombastic, Grandiose Claims.
* 93. Black And White Thinking
* 94. The use of heavy-duty mind control and rapid conversion techniques.
* 95. Threats of bodily harm or death to someone who leaves the cult.
* 96. Threats of bodily harm or death to someone who criticizes the cult.
* 97. Appropriation of all of the members' worldly wealth.
* 98. Making cult members work long hours for free.
* 99. Total immersion and total isolation.
* 100. Mass suicide.
* Bibliography

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses a cult? (No Exit)

by sacolton in

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friends

there is simply no proper or honorable way to leave the cult.

period.

to leave is to fail, to die, to be defeated by evil.

freydi

81. Hypocrisy http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q8.html

Cult members, including the leader, project their own sins and crimes onto people outside of the cult:
"They are dishonest."
"They are unspiritual."
"They have a hidden agenda."
"They are narrow-minded and intolerant."
"They are a bunch of bigots."
"They don't care about the future of the world."
"They are incompetent."
"They are trying to eliminate the competition."
"They are only in it for the money."
"They have an evil leader."
"They are immoral."
"They are ambitious and greedy."
"They are not doing the Will of God."
"They are not real Christians."
"They do not have a reasonable interpretation of the Bible."
"They lie."
"They are in denial."
"They have strange, illogical beliefs."
"They are acting crazy."
"Their lives don't make any sense."
"They are hypocritical."
And above all: "We are not a cult -- all of those other groups are. We work very hard to make sure that our group doesn't turn into a cult like them."

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CULTS - need some captions ... (Look! Fun inside!)

by sacolton in

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friends

i created these .... .

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freydi

It just occurred to me that jw's ask 80 questions of prospective inductees. There are over 80 on the above site that ought to be asked by the inductee of whether they apply to jw's.