Juni, you took my answer. First and last here, too. Thank goodness I came to my senses before my kids got sucked in.
elliej
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First Ever Birthday Present From My Parents!!!
by SWALKER in.
my parents are 80 yrs old and today they stopped by with a wrapped birthday present for me!
i don't know what to say..... swalker
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elliej
Happy birthday! It feels so good to say that. Mine's tomorrow and I just got a card in the mail from my parents-the first one in more years than I care to remember- and it left me crying like a baby. Doesn't it feel good to be free?
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Hypocrisy
by 5thGeneration inwondering everyone's best hypocrisy stories.. one of many for me is an elder who told me he doesn't think gambling is wrong and smoking the "odd" cigar is fine.
beauty!.
in a local cong.. any good stories?.
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elliej
How bout all those dubs who won't see their families for Thanksgiving but get together amongst themselves and have a big turkey dinner "just because turkeys are on sale and we all have the time off work"? Or my brother in law who doesn't celebrate Christmas but goes to his inlaws every year for Christmas dinner and even accepts gifts. He and his wife are just visiting her family who she never sees but they're not celebrating Christmas. Jackass.
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elliej
I am near Milwaukee.
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Did abortion lower the crime rate?
by free2beme ini was watching a news program the other day, and they were using the idea that abortion has been a huge reason why crime has gone down.
these are the reasons they said.. 1. crime in large cities started decreasing in the 1990's, roughly about 16-18 years after abortion was made legal.. 2. crime is often done by people between the ages of 16-24.
3. abortion drops the rate and number of unwanted children being born to single mothers, or to people who do not care about them.
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elliej
It's reasoning and intellectual rigor are beyond reproach. But the kind of inquiring mindset it encourages is anathema to dogma and cultism.
Freakonomics was also an extremely interesting and entertaining read. I would recommend it for anyone.
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What Can't You Stand About Jehovah's Witnesses?
by minimus ini'll tell you one thing that just got to me this morning.
i was playing tennis and at around 9:30 my tennis partner and i looked up and lo and behold!
2 witnesses were walking up the street.
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elliej
I always hated the superior, judgemental attitude they took when someone chose not to answer the door. "home but hiding". They were always so disgusted that someone didn't have the courage to just come to the door, how hard is it? Did it ever occur to them that it is a bad time? Just because someone knocks does not mean the person is required to answer. If I haven't showered or am not dressed yet I don't get the door. No matter who it is. I had witnesses at my door a couple of weeks ago (I am fading and living in a new area, so they don't know who I am). I was loading my dishwasher and had just gotten out of the shower-wasn't dressed fully. I quick got out of veiw and went upstairs to look out. You should have seen their faces! Totally angry and disgusted that I didn't answer them-which they are sure is because I'm a godless heathen and have to hide from the Almighty message of the JW's. They haven't been back. Damn.
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RICHIE RED ALERT
by RichieRich ini was on the phone speaking with verne thoren, presiding overseer of the willow springs, nc congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
he tells me he knows of my possesssion of the flock book.
he knows of my involvement on this site.
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elliej
Richie, I feel for what you are going through. Nobody likes to make decisions that they feel will hurt their loved ones. But as a parent I understand that at some point I have to let my children make their own decisions. And as a parent, I know that I will love them no matter what, even if I don't fully agree with them. That is what parents do, they love their children. They don't withdraw that love because their kids don't do exactly what they want them to. You seem like a very intelligent, well grounded young man. Whether your mom realizes it or not, it seems she has done a good job raising you. You have the courage to stand in the face of opposition and not back down. You are standing up for yourself and what you know is true. Good for you. I hope my children grow up to show such strength of conviction. Good luck and happy birthday a little early.
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Does this make any sense?
by elliej inokay, this is even confusing for me, so please try to bear with me.. i am working on a "presentation" to give to a jw family member to defend myself when the fade comes up.
i want it to be something that will make them think and this is what i have come up with.. this person believes in the whole 1914 chronology bible prophecy crap and can't believe this isn't the truth when they are so right about the date.
but i see a flaw with the way it was calculated and i need input to tell me whether i'm cracked or this might really work- get him to think.. according to the wts, "in prophecy, a year averages 360 days, or 12 months of 30 days each... so the kings "seven times," or seven years, were 360 days multiplied by 7, or 2,520 days.
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elliej
Yes, I did get you confused with someone else.
Thank God we got that cleared up. I would hate to be confused as some non-apostate!
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Does this make any sense?
by elliej inokay, this is even confusing for me, so please try to bear with me.. i am working on a "presentation" to give to a jw family member to defend myself when the fade comes up.
i want it to be something that will make them think and this is what i have come up with.. this person believes in the whole 1914 chronology bible prophecy crap and can't believe this isn't the truth when they are so right about the date.
but i see a flaw with the way it was calculated and i need input to tell me whether i'm cracked or this might really work- get him to think.. according to the wts, "in prophecy, a year averages 360 days, or 12 months of 30 days each... so the kings "seven times," or seven years, were 360 days multiplied by 7, or 2,520 days.
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Spectre, you must have me confused with someone else, I have read Rays book twice since November. I realize the 607 date is wrong, and I realize that secular historians trash the WT theory, but I'm trying to get a dyed in the wool JW to see the problems with the chronology. Simply telling them that Ray Franz exposed the problem or 607 is wrong according to everyone except JW's won't work. I need to find a fatal flaw.
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Does this make any sense?
by elliej inokay, this is even confusing for me, so please try to bear with me.. i am working on a "presentation" to give to a jw family member to defend myself when the fade comes up.
i want it to be something that will make them think and this is what i have come up with.. this person believes in the whole 1914 chronology bible prophecy crap and can't believe this isn't the truth when they are so right about the date.
but i see a flaw with the way it was calculated and i need input to tell me whether i'm cracked or this might really work- get him to think.. according to the wts, "in prophecy, a year averages 360 days, or 12 months of 30 days each... so the kings "seven times," or seven years, were 360 days multiplied by 7, or 2,520 days.
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elliej
Okay, this is even confusing for me, so please try to bear with me.
I am working on a "presentation" to give to a JW family member to defend myself when the fade comes up. I want it to be something that will make them think and this is what I have come up with.
This person believes in the whole 1914 chronology bible prophecy crap and can't believe this isn't the Truth when they are so right about the date. But I see a flaw with the way it was calculated and I need input to tell me whether I'm cracked or this might really work- get him to think.
According to the WTS, " In prophecy, a year averages 360 days, or 12 months of 30 days each... So the king’s "seven times," or seven years, were 360 days multiplied by 7, or 2,520 days. " Since these are "prophetic days" they do a day for a year. So good so far.
" The "seven times" of earth’s domination by Gentile powers without interference by God’s Kingdom therefore spanned 2,520 years. They began with the desolation of Judah and Jerusalem in the seventh lunar month (Tishri 15) of 607 B.C.E. (2 Kings 25:8, 9, 25, 26) From that point to 1 B.C.E. is 606 years. The remaining 1,914 years stretch from then to 1914 C.E. Thus, the "seven times," or 2,520 years, ended by Tishri 15, or October 4/5, 1914 C.E."
Here's my problem with this: Since they are saying that the 2,520 days are 360 days each, per bible prophecy, should they adjust that number since we don't calculate time that way anymore? 2520 yrs x 360days/yr = 907200days. To convert this period into our calendar year of 365.25 days we divide the period of 907,200 days by 365.25 days to reach a total of 2,483.8 of our modern calendar years. 607 bce + 2520 yrs = 1913 plus one year because there is no zero year. But 607 bce + 2483.8 = 1876.8 plus one year = 1877.8 or mid 1877.
Am I wrong or should they stick with the same calculating method? I mean, 2520 years with 360 days each just does not equal 1914 when added to 607. Any input would be helpful.