can you mention any or a list of questions?wanna right them down and ask a few jw's....curious of what is going to happen....
Thats not an answer to either question. Frankly I don't care either way because I can't control what happens to me and I am fine with that. I just would like an answer to why the earth is connnected to a scripture when there is no indication it should be. I never said the scripture points to eternity anywhere just the location of a group of people the WT says will spend eternity on earth with NO support in the bible for it.
But yeah that is a typical JW response. to not answer the question ask.
can you mention any or a list of questions?wanna right them down and ask a few jw's....curious of what is going to happen....
In Rev. 7:15 it says the Great Crowd are rendering "Sacred Service" in the Temple.
What part of the the Temple was Sacred Service preformed in Israel?
I don't believe it was the the court of the gentiles so where are the Great Crowd that are before Gods throne?
As a follow up I pointed out that just because the earth is in the sight of God, would not everything be in the sight of God, so "before the Throne of God" would go without saying if it only meant in his sight.
Then if they are still there read Rev. 19:1
from jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .
article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.
13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.
"Just as Jesus’ prophecies regarding Jerusalem were fulfilled within the life span of the generation of the year 33 C.E., so his prophecies regarding "the time of the end" will be fulfilled within the life span of the generation of 1914. (Daniel 12:4) This means that marvelous prospects lie before not only that generation but all those living today. Why? Because Jesus also said regarding the significant events affecting that generation: "When you see these things occurring, know that the kingdom of God is near."—Luke 21:28, 31."
WT 5/15/1984 Page 7
Either that statement in the Watchtower is True or it is not. If it is not true then it never was true. If it is and therefore was true then the new "understanding" is not true so when you have two contradicting points of view from the same source one of them is false and when you claim to be the only channel from God either he told you a lie or you are not the channel you think you are. You can't have it both ways no matter how badly you want to.
can be streamed from here:.
http://www.videoweed.com/file/rv5fh4cfbce75.
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I guess that would finally cap carbon emisions.
All joking aside I can't wait to see that movie I read "The Long Emergency" by James Howard Kunstler and we are going to see some really insteresting and chalenging times ahead.
i thought it would be good to discuss it to understand what caused some of us to exit suddenly, or some to exit gradually .. myself , i had been in 44 years , had mentally had doubts for years before exiting - but injustices by the elders and my doubts about the " generation " doctrine led me to exit suddenly one night before a meeting.
the elders pissed me off , i went to my seat, picked my books up and walked out - never going back.
so what is your story and reasons ?
Mr. Flipper
It was tough and I will tell you I always read your threads you have PM'ed me before and I have always wanted to call you but I hate to bother people but I really appreciate your personal concern for others. Someday I will take you up on the offer and give you a call. But know this even if I haven't said it before you have helped me through some bad days without ever knowing it just by posting.
Lady Lee
Thanks for that advice. My daughter is only a baby but I worry about her not having her cousins mostly. I hope I can find activities to help her build that network of people that was kind of pre-built for me in the org. But I agree honest beats the lie everytime
i thought it would be good to discuss it to understand what caused some of us to exit suddenly, or some to exit gradually .. myself , i had been in 44 years , had mentally had doubts for years before exiting - but injustices by the elders and my doubts about the " generation " doctrine led me to exit suddenly one night before a meeting.
the elders pissed me off , i went to my seat, picked my books up and walked out - never going back.
so what is your story and reasons ?
Well the realization it was less then the "truth" came quickly. Up until Nov.2000 I had no doubt or even desire to be anywhere else. But that month I was assigned a particular Public Talk that dealt with the year 1914. I was working at a local University and decided to research the year 607 looking for extra material. Well guess what? Thats right I found nothing in any secular text referencing 607 bce. Further I found mountains of evidence that the Temple was actually destroyed around 587/586 bce.
That led me to check other references and found more deception. by the beginning of 2001 I wanted out but couldn't leave due to family and the fact that 31 years of brainwashing leaves a toll on your Psyche. I continued to go and even serve in the congregation for the next year. I even tried to step down but the PO was insistent I stay on. Then a hard nosed CO came in and chopped me for because my wife averaged 8 and not the 10 hours he felt she should that was a great visit lol. We moved to the Spanish shortly after that and I hoped to just lead a quite life of denial you know to keep the peace with my family. That would not be possible.
I didn't stop going for a while due to the fact my wife still believed. I never told her the reason I was removed it would have killed her. But we had left a congregation with a major molestation problem and that was something my wife felt very strongly about. Well in August of 2004 that became a major issue as the father of one of the families in our hall had been molesting his daughter. I still can't talk about the details if you would like to read the story about the situation here is a link.
I had been lurking here before but fear of the org led me to not register and I stopped lurking. After this happen I did register when I did I found a friend who had been here a while who showed me all the stories that had been posted here about the kids. We loved those kids. At least the people here cared more about the children more then the org.
Me and my wife were the only member of the Congregation to attend we were both appalled that no one else had the guts to show up. I served as a pall bear because so few people were there. I can count on one hand how many times I attended any meeting after that. It hasn't' been great all the time but at least it's been honest. I have never told this story I tried to tell my story on here a few times but I would lose courage and sometimes I just feel much of my story is boring but tonight I just felt like sharing. It's still not fun to talk about but I have to do it sometime just to get it off my chest. I doubt anyone in the org care to much about me anymore and if they do oh well. I am happy to say my life has never been better but I do strugle with how to establish a nework of friend for my little girl but at least she will have a chance to make real friends and not friends who will only show up if she attends meetings.
i don't mean go back to a kingdom hall, i mean other religons any of them.
can anybody think of a reason that they might do this?.
i', begining to feel curious about the church up my road, just curious, thought about popping in there one sunday, i will probably run out screaming 5 mins later but there you are....
That was the harest thing I ever did. In fact I went to the door of a church atleast 4 times before I finally got the courge up to go in. And the first place I went to didn't feel right but I did eventually find a place that did work. I just didn't want to "throw the the baby out with the bath water" so I wanted to try something else. I was raised (3rd Gen) in the WT and I wanted to see what else was out there I was very helpful for me.
what do you think the jw response would be if i asked if the faithful&discreet slave is considered to mediate for jw's?
would they admit that?...or would they say that jesus is?
from what i've seen here, they seem to acknowledge that the governing body/fds mediates.
You will never get a JW to say that out loud. I gave public talks and went to Bethel served in just about every position in the the congo. And I always told people at the door that Jesus was our mediator. I never read that Jesus was not my mediator (according to the WTBTS) until I already had doubts about the WT being Gods "channel" to truth.
less than rank and file?.
anyone have an idea?.
10 years was about the exact amount of time it took me to start figuring it out. Of course all my cousins who went to bethel are in the "Giants" category.
i was still a kid and living at home at the time, and so that must have been well over 30 years ago, that i heard ron drage (now a senior member of the uk bethel) say "if you are waiting at the bus stop it, is better to be 10 minutes early rather than miss it".
what he was referring to of course was the then then 1975 issue; in other words armageddon has arrived yet but it just round the corner and we are a little early for it.. i don't know what brought this to my mind the other day but i got to thinking, surely if you are waiting for a bus and you get there 10 minutes early and it doesn't then turn up, how long do you wait?
10 minutes, 15 minutes, half an hour, an hour, two hours?
I have had several conversations with long timers over the last two weeks. one was my mom trying to get me to return and another was my best friends mom who wanted to warn us both that we needed to return (he still believes even though he hasn't attended for years).
In both cases they pointed to the fact that in just a few years we will be at the 100 year mark from 1914. I still hold out hope that 2014 will be a watershed moment for many witnesses.
