Posts by alanv

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April 15th 2011 Watchtower

by alanv in

if a brother has been baptized at least one year and to a reasonable degree meets the scriptural qualifications.

for ministerial servants outlined at1 timothy 3:8-13, he can be recommended for appointment.. .

interesting comment in the latest watchtower.

alanv

If a brother has been baptized at least one year and to a reasonable degree meets the Scriptural qualifications

for ministerial servants outlined at1 Timothy 3:8-13, he can be recommended for appointment.

Interesting comment in the latest Watchtower. Looks to me like they are now willing to lower their standards for those who qualify to be ministerial servants

First they are saying that the brother only needs to be baptised a year, and secondly only needs to a reasonable degree to meet the qualifications outlined in 1 Timothy 3

It has been said before on jw discussion sites that they are short of men who are willing to be mini servants or elders. Maybe that is true.

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Ireland: judge orders baby to be given blood after dramatic court hearing

by behemot in

a judge ordered the baby son of a jehovah witness couple to be given a life-saving blood transfusion after a dramatic court hearing in his home in the early hours of the morning.. judge gerard hogan said barristers for temple street children's hospital arrived at his house at 1am on december 27 and argued the desperately ill three-month-old boy needed urgent treatment.. neither the infant nor his parents were identified in the high court judgment, which was published today.. judge hogan ruled that while parents have the constitutional right to raise their children to their own religious and philosophical views, the state has a vital interest in ensuring children are protected.. "but there is absolutely no doubt but that the court can intervene in a case such as this where the child's life, general welfare and other vital interests are at stake," he added.. judge hogan heard that when the baby boy was born in september 2010 he had been a twin, with a sister who did not survive.. on christmas day the infant was suffering from acute bronchiolitis when his condition deteriorated.

at one point he stopped breathing and had to be resuscitated.. he was transferred to temple street the following day where his condition became critical.

his liver was distended and by that evening his haemoglobin level plummeted to the point where a transfusion was necessary.. the judge said while the boy's parents were clearly anxious for his welfare and had allowed the use of blood products earlier that day, as committed jehovah witnesses they were steadfast in their opposition to this procedure.. the hospital made contact with the court's duty register at 10pm that night and the high court hearing was swiftly arranged.. consultant dr kevin carson, clinical director of intensive care, argued the youngster's life was in danger and there were no medical alternatives to a transfusion.. the parents were not legally represented at the judge's house, but were aware of the issues as the court had previously sanctioned a blood transfusion for another child of theirs.. judge hogan continued: "there is no doubt as to the sincerity of the religious beliefs of the parents.. "they struck me as wholesome and upright parents who were most anxious for the welfare of their child, yet steadfast in their own religious beliefs.

alanv

Hey black sheep that's a really good point. Independant research has shown that, as you say only one out of three witnesses brought up in the faith will stay with it.

That means of course that most kids not given blood and died would actually not have stayed in the JW org.

That's quite a sobering thought, and one we should remind witnesses about when we have any contact with them.

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'OKM_February_2011_Britain_OCRd.pdf'

by fokyc in

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'okm_february_2011_britain_ocrd.pdf'.

http://www.box.net/shared/4unc0o7ots.

alanv

Interestingly Irelands average publishers for 2008 were 5485

2009 were 5713

This was a 4% increase and yet this last year (2010) there was no increase at all. Yippee

Let's hope they close some more branches.

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January 2011 KM

by ssn587 in

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anyone know where i can get a copy?.

alanv

Here you go .Thanks to Fokyc.

Sorry only have the UK.

http://www.box.net/shared/5gf1i7bxks

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Is A 'Moderate' Opinion of the Governing Body Possible?

by metatron in

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radical circumstances push people into extreme frames of mind.. it seems to me that, for some time now, the governing body of jehovah's witnesses has been surrounded by increasingly more difficult circumstances and hardships.

they have cut magazines, literature, sold off real estate, dumped long term bethelites, dumped paid subscriptions, railed against facebook, condemned college attendance, and begun to sell off branch offices.. a moderate, reasonable viewpoint of these changes is easy to come up with: the rank and file are broke, burned-out and dispirited.

furthermore, the increasing depth of these changes would push any reasonable person to conclude that the organization is in quiet decline - far from any realization of heavenly intervention.. the above would logically push a reasonable person towards the conclusion that the 130 year doomsaying history of the watchtower society is a pious fraud at best.

alanv

Hi metatron,

You have to remember what attracted most people to the society in the first place. For many they were under achievers and mostly without much ambition.

The JW org fitted in very well with their take on life. The org will do just about everything for you. You don't have to think or work out much yourself.

So those rank and file really want that situation to continue. The society tell them bad things are hapopening in the world, and hey they are right. It matters not that most things are better, the society and the sheep only look at the bad things. The rank and file are told they will be persecuted and hey they are. Even if it is something as trivial as going to a birthday party. If we ask them why not they can't go, they view that as persecution.

So I am afraid things need to get a lot worse in the org. before most of them will start to ask questions. When all said and done they are still seeing some increase and that will hold a lot of them in. Most of the other things will be put down to restructuring, which other organisations are doing as well.

The uni and college thing has been going on for years. All witnesses know that it could take them out of 'the truth' so as far as they are concerned the society is right to warn them about it.

I know it's depressing , but let's hope things do get a lot worse for them in the near future, and we can get our friends and family back who have been caught by this false religion.

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JWs ask- where are the F&DS?

by moshe in

i was thinking that maybe they must be, as the wt recently told the jws that following the gb was like following god (no mention of the f&ds).

can someone post that wt quote from a few months ago?

jws must have noticed that the faithul and discreet slave were left out and they will start asking- "where are they?

alanv

Hi moshe. I think this is the quote you were looking for

The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.

Sept 15 th 2010 page 23

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Aid to Bible Understanding

by Sharpie in

how many people still have the book aid to bible understanding?

and when did the watchtower decide to scrap it?

was there any offical anoucements anyone rememeber to please return the books?

alanv

We want to assure you briothers this new book release has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Ray Franz, who wrote a lot of the aid to bible unstanding book got kicked out and is now an apostate.

signed Watchtower society

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Continuity of the Bible - Start to Finish

by tyu in

i was asked in a previous topic whether i thought the bible had continuity in its thought/teaching from start to finish, from old to new testament.

you can argue from specific passages taken apart and out of context that the bible contradicts itself, but, all in all, there is one message-that of love, a father's love.

the bible is the story of a father who creates a family (beginning with adam and eve), but they break their bond with him.

alanv

You are joking. Surely. The father's deep personal love for his people?

Because of Adam's mistake, you feel it really shows us God's great love for the human race when he allows billions of people to die, some in terrible ways over the past thousand of years.

Not to mention the mass slaughter that JWs expect in the near future.

You really feel this shows God's love for the human race.

I am speechless.

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Vote issue stumbled studying work colleage

by artemis.design in

it is my opinion everyone has the choice to follow jw path if they choose.

what angers me is that half the time, people don't realise what they are getting themselves into.

my work college had been studying for quite a while.

alanv

Thanks for that artemis. It is common practice among witnesses not to talk about anything that might put the person off. So they always start with non confrontational topics.

If he had been very into the local church, they would hold back from telling them about how the JWs feel about them.

The hope is that all the positives about the religion outweigh the disadvantages.

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wakeing up family

by TheLoveDoctor in

i'v been letting my mom know how i feel about the wts-gb hints like generation changes, issues with higher ed, mind control methods of the watchtower, and the fact that thier own liturature prove them wrong.

so i said to mom after we went out to eat, i guess im respossable for putting dougts in your head?

she said nothing that wasnt even there in the first place an a cleared up a lot of things for her.

alanv

Awake 19727/8p.8GettingaBalancedViewofPets

The Bible shows that only man was given the prospect of living forever. Adam was to die only if he proved disobedient. (Gen. 2:16, 17) We, his descendants, are in a dying state due to inheriting sin from him, "for the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord." (Rom. 6:23; 5:12) Other creatures,’ as "unreasoning animals," are not capable of conscious or willful sin against God.Hence their death is simply due to natural processes; the general life-span built into their genetic makeup from the beginning. Thus, while a rhinoceros may live as much as half a century, a short-tailed shrew has a life-span seldom passing two or three years. Some insects live only a few hours. This will continue to be true even in God’s promised new order by his Son’s righteous kingdom, when death inherited by humans from Adam "will be no more."—Rev. 21:4.

Hi love doctor, that is the societies view, so you better tell your mum not to get to attatched to her pet lion in the new system!