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  Started reading Crisis of Conscience

  by KingDavidwasframed in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was referred to the above mentioned book but never thought it necessary before to read.

  i am starting the 3rd chapter now and all i can say is wow!

  what happened to me has happened to many.

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  alanv

  Welcome to the forum Kd. I new about the book when I was a witness but never had the courage to read it until years later. It is one of the best books I have ever written. Unlike some writers that speak about their past Ray simply tells it as it was. He is certainly not a bitter, vengeful man as many JWs have labelled him. Just about everything he says is checkable. He even says that he still loves the brothers very much but simply could not carry on living a lie. That is true of many on this forum. When you have finished that book there is another he wrote which is just as revealing called 'In search of christian freedom' That too is a mine of information.
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  I went to the meeting today

  by doublelife in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so my husband dragged me to the meeting this morning.

  i brought my new bible that i bought instead of the nwt and he didn't say anything about it.

  in the public talk, the speaker opened to matt.

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  alanv

  It seems to me that most posters here are fairly convinced that JWs are not the true religon. If that is so then why are you still attending and worrying about putting in an unscriptual report. There comes a time when all of us need to stand up for ourselves. It is not always easy to do but in the long run I'm sure you would receive more respect. Just my own view.
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  Revelation...real or the product of a drunk senile old man?

  by highdose in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  heres somthing thats always bugged me.

  the wtbs read sooooo much into revelation, this symbol means this and this symbol means that etc.

  they actauly have no proof and no back up for this.

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  alanv

  To me the very first verse in Revelation is a joke. It says to show his slaves WHAT MUST SHORTLY TAKE PLACE. JWs will say that 1000 years are but a day to God but come on this was given to a mortal man who was soon to die. If this was said to you would you think that's great, it will start to take place in the next 2000 years or so. I think not. The borg have put their own spin on it just like others have done in the past. Some of it is just credible but most of it is the product of an senile old man.
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  Evidence In Favor Of Bloodless Surgery Mounts

  by Bangalore in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  evidence in favor of bloodless surgery mounts.. .

  http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/281102.

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  alanv

  I don't think anyone would disagree with the fact that it is better not to use someone elses blood if possable, but as some other posters have said, there are times that it has to be used or the person would certainly die. The borg I am sure will put there own spin on this, but the fact remains that they would still let someone die rather than breaking their own man made rules regarding blood.
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  Will Michael Jacksons Mom be DF'd ???

  by tresdecu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jackson family to host first christmasmichael jackson's family is to hold christmas celebrations for the first time this year (09) - putting their own religious beliefs aside for the superstar's three children.. the jacksons were all brought up as jehovah's witnesses, a christian-based religion which does not recognise birthdays or christmas.

  but the thriller hitmaker deviated from his family's belief system and always enjoyed the holiday season with prince michael, 12, paris, 11, and seven-year-old prince michael ii.

  and family matriarch katherine jackson, who has full custody of the kids, is determined to put their former traditions aside in december (09) to keep the youngsters' lives as normal as possible.

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  alanv

  It would be a great story for the papers, and wouldn't we enjoy showing it to our witness family members.

  IF she was disfellowshipped it would actually be doing her and the kids a favour. They would then hopefully be brought up normally like other kids.
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  real fake friends

  by diamondiiz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i wondered how did your "best" jw friends react to when you told them you're leaving wts?.

  after i found out all i needed to know i called up my old friend who i thought was a good friend but i knew he was a die hard dub and i told him to write down a book and read it.

  i was refering to russell's thy kingdom come.

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  alanv

  I had a really good friend who wrote to me asking why I no longer associate. It was a very heartfelt letter. I replied telling her exactly why I left and said I hope we can remain friends. Needless to say I never heard from her again. It helped me realize that most witness friendships are totally dependant on never disagreeing with the org. Same with any love shown to you it is a totally conditional love.
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  Don't want to celebrate holidays even with my daughter...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i feel like its so much work, stressful, commercialized and since i never formed the habit of it i hate the idea of celebrating them.

  i wouldn't mind buying presents for my daughter on christmas and maybe doing a treasure hunt for halloween (i don't want her taking candy from even my neighbors) and things like that so she doesn't feel left out or like she's missing something.

  just something easy and informal...

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  alanv

  In England the only thing we make much of are birthdays and Xmas. I too feel what is the point. Most people in the developed world tend to have most things they want within reason so you end up giving something they already have or not suitable. I know that it is the thought that counts but surely it is better to give a present any time and when you know what the person wants.
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  The Silentlambs Exposed Blog Is Closing

  by Bangalore in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the silentlambs exposed blog is closing.. .

  http://silentlambsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/10/future-of-this-blog.html.

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  alanv

  To be honest I think the WT policiy on ANYcontroversal subject is to simply keep quiet about it and hopefully it will go away. The child abuse policy of the Watchtower seems now to have been improved mainly because of pressure from sites like silentlambs. I recently emailed Bill Bowen and got no reply so maybe he is letting it rest now. Things are still not perfect but then that will never happen with anything to do with child abuse.
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  Admiring evolution

  by GapingMouth in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as a born-in, i was taught to reject evolution right off.

  that coupled with not being taught it accurately at school (and for only about an hour) it is only now after breaking free of jws that i have been learning about it.

  dawkins has instilled in me an admiration and appreciation for evolution and its elegance.

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  alanv

  Yes definitely. In Britain there is a new series on TV from the world famous David Attenborough called Challenges of life. The series of ten one hour programmes is about creatures surviving and adapting in their envioronments. We had the first one last monday. I would thoroughly recommend it.

  The camera work is stunning and the programme really shows how all creatures have the same goal namely to adapt when necessary and to pass on their genes to the next generation
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  Swedish government declines to give JW financial support

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  quite recently, watchtower in sweden applied for governmental financial support, as they are entitled to as a registered religious community.

  however, the government declined to accept the application, stating that the reason was that the jws do not adhere to democratic values and standards and do not support mainstream values.. the witnesses are upset, because they feel discriminated against.

  they state that the financial issue is not the real issue, but to be treated in a similar way as other religious communities.. they have appealed the decision and plan to send a report explaining the witnesses views in more detail.. the branch office chose the religious, pentecostal (assembly of god) newspaper "dagen" to make an interview.. here is the photo report of the article.. .

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  alanv

  I'm with Yesidid. You simply can't have it both ways. They would be horrified if after reading a WT article they were seen as the same as any other religion. And yet once money is involved they say they are the same. It reminds me of the UN scandal On one hand they say how terrible the UN is, then they do all they can to keep in with them. Hypocrites