I used to pray for help on the field service and on meeting assignments and really believed I was receiving help. I now realize that if you believe something enough you will be able to carry it out by yourself. To this day I reckon I could get up on the platform and give a believable talk even though I don't believe a word of it.
Posts by alanv
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47Do you miss God?
by wobble inif you are one of the posters on here who has got to the point where you do not believe in god to any great extent, do you miss "him".
i find that i rarely used to ask god for anything, or load him up with my problems, everybody elses were far more urgent, but i did used to feel moved to praise him when i saw the beauties of creation, a sunset etc.. i now feel an urge to still do that, but do not believe anyone is listening, do you get moments like that ?.
love.
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How do you cope with a zealous JW wife?
by eyesthatsee ini've been out for a little while now - fading was my chosen strategy.
before then, elder for around 20 years - all the usual stuff.. why leave?
(1) reading other material and thinking for yourself - never too late (2) couldn't stomach any more judicial committees where i had to preside over handing out edicts that were going to wreck peoples' lives (3) final realisation that i'm not going to let my children die because of the false 'blood' interpretation (4) nail in the coffin, which opened my eyes to the 'rotteness at the core' of the organisation, was the deliberate mis-quoting of scientists and others, to make a lie seem like truth.. anyway, my wife (both pioneered together) is as zealous as ever - more so now.
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alanv
My JW wife died several years ago and one of the things she said was she wouldn't have married me if she had known I was going to leave the org. In every other way we had a good close marriage and luckily our love for each other got us through it.
We all have to remember when dealing with close JW family members that they have been totally indoctrinated by the society just as we were for so long.
All you can do is be a loving husband and father and hopefully your wife will realize in time that she too has been misled. It is getting easier and easier to see the lies and hypocrisy of the society and I'm sure your wife will realize the same as you have in time.
Good luck
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JWs... You are not unique! take a look at this. My research
by Aussie Oz inin my research i have decided to go waaaay back.
so, one of the first things i did was look at the beginnings with regard to charles taze russell.. while this may be old news to many, this is indeed new to me.
and i want to tell this to the jws that are no doubt on here too.. you are an adventist sect.. without posting the expanded (very long) version of my research, i will post the basics that lead me to this conclusion.. how unique are jehovahs witnesses?
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alanv
Good post Oz. As you say many have a rough idea what happened back then but I must say I never new JWs had so much in common with the adventists. Good advice to get people to check it out not an 'apostate' site but with the WT CD rom and wiki pedia.
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The most frightening time in this Worlds History!
by wannabe indoes the bible supply us with any information, that might give us, at least, some idea when this frightening time period will begin?does it show us, in some way, just how frightening this time period will be, and just what is the main cause of it?
" [matthew 24:8 niv}.
what was it that actually marked the beginning of these birth pangs?
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alanv
Either way I'm sure Jesus was not talking about our day. As Harold Macmillon the British prime minister after the war said ,'You've never had it so good. I believe that is even truer now. People generally are healthier now which is why they are living longer. Gone are the days when babies and young children used to routinely die in the more advanced countries.
Although there is still much to be done, things are gradually getting better for many people. The terrible Haiti earthquake would have wiped out many more hundreds of thousands of people had it happened 100 years ago. There has been masive help from the world to ease their pain as much as possable. I could go on but suffice to say, I and many others are very glad we are living now at the start of the 21st century and not at any other time in human history.
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Please help me, I'm having a "discussion" with a JW in a chat room and. . .
by Ilovebirthdays ini need help remembering a scripture.
i'm sucessfully turning the conversation to the point where her answer is going to have to be something along the lines of the light keeps getting brighter and brighter, because we're discussing the "generation" teaching changing multiple times and why that is, and i want to bring out a scripture something along the lines of "you will know they are false teachers because their prophecies often fail that the jw's use against other religions", but not only do i not know what bible book, chapter and verse it is, i can't remember the correct wording to search it.. this site has already been a great help, because i've gotten her to flip flop her stance on the blood doctrine (first she told me fractions weren't allowed, and when i showed her they were, then she changed her tune, which caught the attention of others in there.
i was able to get her to the point where she is flustered and waffling over the "generation" teaching, which i was able to do thanks to the wonderful chart outlining all the flip flops that had been posted here, so thank you on those, but since i can't remember the scripture, i can't use the search function, because i can't remember what i'm talking about, as i've been out 13+ years, and didn't even keep my bible.. if you know what i'm talking about, could you please help me figure out what i'm talking about?.
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alanv
Ilovebirthdays it really does show what a great site this is where you can get questions answered and get ideas on how to speak to witnesses. Let us know how you get on, as I am sure we will all be interested.
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Help in finding a previous topic.
by moggy lover inat least a year or even two years ago, there was a fascinating post which listed the frequency of biblical chapters as used in watchtower literature.
i recall that matt 24 was given the pride of place with some 10-20 thousand citations, and next in descending order were other chapters.
some chapters such as john 2 and 3 were hardly referred to at all.. i know that i saved it to my hard drive but, in researching some material about the "generation" of matt 24, can not trace it.
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alanv
If you saved it to your hard drive you should be able to click start then search then files and folders. Then type in some of the words you used to save the info.
Failing that you may be able to download the Watchtower CD rom. You can then type in any scripture you want and see how often it is used. Good luck
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watchtower site on Facebook, ,,is this stuff for real ?
by lancelink ini was looking over the watchtower site on facebook this evening, and was just mesmerized by many of the posts.this stuff can't be real (can it)?
nelson birdwell ?
it's like something out of mad magazine, or better yet the onion !.
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Shawn after your confession I went back over your entries. This time I really laughed. You can have so much fun doing this.
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Why do they but in?
by grewupjw1969 ini am curious to know why the wo feels the need to tell consenting, married what they can do in they bedroom.
has anyone experinced this?.
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They view themselves as God's spokesman on earth so they feel it is O K for them to decide what can and can't be done in the bedroom.
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Governing Body Are: Old, Hypocritical, Destructive, Blood Guilty, Company Men, In Sheep's Clothing
by frankiespeakin inthese guys on the governing body deserve our scorn.
they are the makers of policy which control the minds of our jehovah witness family members who shun us and break up our families.. they are the ones who make up the rules that have led to thousands of premature deaths due to their strict enforcement of a ban on blood transfusions, o they like to put the blame on the bible for that one,, but in actuality it is their own narrow mindedness and interpretation of scripture with the threat of disfellowshipping those who don't follow their edicts which puts the blame squarely on them as policy makers.
it is them who demand complete obedience with no independent thinking allowed that is drummed into the heads the average jw several times a week until he blindly follows even to the death their narrow minded strictly enforced prohibition.. they are the ones who determine what the wt corporation will print and what rules will be strictly enforced and this has led to much sorrow for those who find governing body claims of authority lacking and wish no longer to be dominated buy their narrow minded rules and destructive policies.
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alanv
Most anti JW videos on Youtube ARE against the governing body. It is a fallacy that exwitnesses are against their former JW friends.
Anyone who has been through the JW experience knows where the main blame for witnesses attitude and ideas come from, and that is Brooklyn.
The gov. body like people to think that we are against all witnesses but this is a lie. It is the gov body men who are much more concerned with having a thriving united organisation than teaching people what the bible really says. You're right they are despicable individuals.
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How You Can Understand the Bible - FDS not mentioned in this WT article
by Mythbuster in*** w09 7/1 pp.
4-5 1. ask the author for help ***.
how you can understand the bible.
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alanv
Omce they have got a persons initial interest it is much easier to talk about getting help to understand the bible. After all they will say we all need help from someone to help us with something new to us. The scripture about the Ethiopian eunoch comes to mind.