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  Has Watchtower taken the joy out of 'the good news of the kingdom'

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i ask this question for the following reason.

  i was sitting at the kingdom hall thinking about all the rules, procedures, policies, teachings that each member must follow ......or else!.

  at the watchtower study we are reminded of the paradise earth where we will all be the same and happy.

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  alanv

  They are victims of Watchtower just like we were. But we also had our own brain, but chose to give it over completely to Watchtower. What we should have done is checked independently, if what we were being told was true. But many of us including me, liked the little bubble we were in.
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  Cart Witnessing Is Getting People Baptzed!!!🐑🐑

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recently i talked to an elder about this type of witnessing.

  i’ve known him for many years and he is a very honest upright man.

  he marveled at how many people have become baptized in the last couple of years because of cart witnessing.

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  alanv

  The increase has been going down over the last few years, not going up. This year it was 1.4% In europe there are more that have left than have joined. I would say the carts are a complete failure.
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  BOE-Jan/18/2018-Donations!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  january-18-2018--boe.

  donations for 2019 international convention travel.

  https://we.tl/ikbkzz8xpwatlantis!

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  alanv

  What do the governing body think donations are for? JWs are already sending Watchtower money for all sorts of different things. Full time workers are paid out of donated money already donated. That money should pay for any needs these full time workers have. Disgusting money grab yet again.
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  Crisis of Conscience where to find?

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone know where i can get a pdf version of this book?

  i’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive.

  thank you.. -jules.

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  alanv

  I bought both Ray's books years ago at a reasonable price. Also have the PDFs
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  Are JWs capable of a genuine discussion?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just pondering whether jws are capable of having a calm, in depth discussion about religious or faith topics?.

  i have just finished listening to a great podcast by "dogma debate" (dan) episode 333. this fantastic, in-depth conversation between a theist and an atheist was a masterful example of how a dignified conversation can take place without it resorting to abruptness or even nastiness.. jws on the other hand seem incapable of having such discussion without ending up in the following ways:.

  1)they get dogmatic and defensive if a differing view is presented.. 2)if the conversation doesn't go their way, they cut it short saying something like "well, we had better agree to disagree" or the like.. so why the arrogance?

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  alanv

  I think the evidence is that now the org dont want witnesses to engage in two way discussions. It nearly always goes the same way. They tell the person to go to jwdotorg for answers. The ministry school has been scrapped so witnesses are not being trained now to discuss Watchtower doctrine.
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  Jw carts

  by Jrjw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking it would be funny if apostates set up jwfacts carts and placed them in areas where the jws do their metropolitan witnessing to unwitness to people the witnesses have spoken to.

  it would probably get the jws backs up like or it would stop the cart witnessing altogether.

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  alanv

  I really dont know why they could think cart witnessing is a good way to get new members. Particularly since their introduction JW membership has been going down and down. The last two years, Europe has seen more leave the org than they have gained. In fact just about every first world country that has the internet has been going down hill.
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  New to the truth

  by MatthewHewey in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been meeting with member's of the kingdom hall, and i have attended a few times now on sundays.

  i'd like to discuss experiences with this group since i'm new.

  so far, i love it.

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  Hi Mathew,any piercings or tatoos are a big no no for JWs. They do not want you to have your own identity. They insist on you following their rules to the latter. As has been said you will have been loved bombed. That is what they do to anyone new. And certainly once a person gets baptised you have to abide by all Watchtowers rules. You will find them all listed, just google it. The org is dying, so they are desperate to get anyone new as a member.

  Please make sure you research JWs properly, you will be appalled when you learn more about them.
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  Tony "Tightpants" Morris Talks Of Tight Pants AGAIN!!

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  again with the pants... tony, if you can't stop looking at young men in tight pants don't take it out on the rest of us.

  https://www.facebook.com/john.cedars.5/posts/868329653345317.

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  I hadnt realized till recently how many guys are wearing the tighter style trousers now. But to say they wear them to show off their private parts is totally ridiculous.
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  Leaked 2018 Elders Training Video RE: Elders Reviewing Pionieers

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhq5viughny&feature=youtu.be.

  quite frankly im disturbed at the lack of love and compassion.

  especially for the first sister they talk about!.

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  The bottom line is there should be no such thing as a pioneer. The bible simply says for an individual to do their best at whatever they are doing. But Watchtower love to make everything as complicated as possible.
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  You might surprised how many JWs are homosexuals

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  contrary to common belief, neither the bible nor the watchtower condemns homosexuality; however, they do condemn the practice of fornication.

  homosexuality is same sex attraction whether such attraction is acted upon or not.

  leviticus 20:13 describes a man having sexual relations with a man, or the act of fornication.

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  alanv

  Watchtower has acknowledged that there are witnesses who have to fight their feelings of being attracted to someone of the same sex. They put it down to man's imperfections. As long as they dont practice same sex, they are excepted as witnesses in good standing. After all there are going to be times when a JW man feels an attraction to another woman. But as long as he does not act on his feelings, there is no problem in Watchtower world