justahuman24: I now see what you're saying. Yeah, it didn't originate with Aaron, but he sure as shoot did all the footwork and went that extra mile for the people. I'm sure it was peer pressure that he caved under, but my point is he wasn't punished. The Bible is unfair on that account. Good point about the ten commandments though. Moving on to that other subject; someone explain to me why it was so bad to take a census? I haven't read this account and you've all got me interested in it.
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What is the deal with Moses? A rant on absurdity in the Bible.
by Morocco inthe other day i was reading about moses and i came to the very popular part of the golden calf.
but now, with a little maturity and freedom from the clutches of witness thought i can see some terrible problems with the bible.
in the beginning of exodus 32 god is talking to moses and sees that the israelites have made a calf out of gold and they are using it as their god.
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What is the deal with Moses? A rant on absurdity in the Bible.
by Morocco inthe other day i was reading about moses and i came to the very popular part of the golden calf.
but now, with a little maturity and freedom from the clutches of witness thought i can see some terrible problems with the bible.
in the beginning of exodus 32 god is talking to moses and sees that the israelites have made a calf out of gold and they are using it as their god.
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sorry if i sound mean :\
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What is the deal with Moses? A rant on absurdity in the Bible.
by Morocco inthe other day i was reading about moses and i came to the very popular part of the golden calf.
but now, with a little maturity and freedom from the clutches of witness thought i can see some terrible problems with the bible.
in the beginning of exodus 32 god is talking to moses and sees that the israelites have made a calf out of gold and they are using it as their god.
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Justahuman24: First, beginning in Ex. 32:2-5, it says that “2 Aaron answered them, "Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me." 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, "These are your gods, [b] O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt." 5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, "Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD." So It was Aaron's idea where to get the materials, it was Aaron who “made it into an idol”, and it was Aaron who even built an alter. It was Aaron's idea. You do however make a good point about the Levites, but that further proves my point; genocide is a regular thing with God, or Moses, or whoever says they speak for God. Why weren't the Levites punished? Heck, why would ANY leader punish that kind of loyalty to HIMSELF – that's why the Levites were blessed by the Lord (Moses) because they showed loyalty to Moses above their own family. Kill your family with swords because God told me to tell you. That's absurd.
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Who is Jesus
by soulfinder inhey everyone, i'm new here and i would really like to discuss your views on who jesus is.. please feel free to list any scripture, and i will do the same.. here are a few scriptures that may help:.
1. in the book of isaiah 7:14 jehovah prophesied that there would be a child born of a virgin, and that his name would be immanuel, which means god with us.. 14 therefore the lord himself will give you a sign: the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him immanuel (which means god with us).. 2. in the book of john, jesus also encourages us to pray to him by saying "if you ask anything in my name, i will do it.".
john 14:14. if you askanything in my name, i will do it.. 3. here are a few instances of people worshipping jesus:.
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LittleToe: No offense, and none taken but I'm not saying Jesus was a slave trader. But Jesus never said it was wrong to beat slaves or suppress women. In fact some of Jesus own followers kept it going (1 Cor. 14:34) “women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. “ It goes without saying that what the Law allows isn't mandatory to perform. But why allow it? So adultery is a no-no, but I can own slaves AND beat them if I choose? I thought God hated violence -- oh, but not with slaves. I merely pointed out that it was okay, in their time, to perform acts atrocious by todays standards. It is the laws of God that are disingenuous. The “Laws” men have put in God's mouth.
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Who is Jesus
by soulfinder inhey everyone, i'm new here and i would really like to discuss your views on who jesus is.. please feel free to list any scripture, and i will do the same.. here are a few scriptures that may help:.
1. in the book of isaiah 7:14 jehovah prophesied that there would be a child born of a virgin, and that his name would be immanuel, which means god with us.. 14 therefore the lord himself will give you a sign: the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him immanuel (which means god with us).. 2. in the book of john, jesus also encourages us to pray to him by saying "if you ask anything in my name, i will do it.".
john 14:14. if you askanything in my name, i will do it.. 3. here are a few instances of people worshipping jesus:.
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Jesus was a Jew. Jesus practiced the Law, he was in the same game as the Pharisees and Sadducees (the people he condemned so many times) he also "fulfilled" the Law. Point being: Jesus agreed with everything the Law stood for and said -- down to the letter. Jesus condoned the Law and upheld it. Did you know that in the Mosaic Law that slavery was okay? You could beat a slave to unconsciousness, so long as he/she didn't die, and you would go unpunished because the slave is your property. (Ex. 21:20&21) Women had no rights, there were rules on how you should sell your daughters as sexual slaves. Jesus stood for those things according to the bible writers. (Ex. 21:2-7) The Law, in the scriptures just referenced, also allowed a slave owner to use the slaves marriage mate and children as leverage for his enslavement for life. If the slave fell in love with someone and wanted to remain in love, the Law states that they must remain a slave to keep that love. Greed and trickery my friends. Jesus was part of this.
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What is the deal with Moses? A rant on absurdity in the Bible.
by Morocco inthe other day i was reading about moses and i came to the very popular part of the golden calf.
but now, with a little maturity and freedom from the clutches of witness thought i can see some terrible problems with the bible.
in the beginning of exodus 32 god is talking to moses and sees that the israelites have made a calf out of gold and they are using it as their god.
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JK666, heh, I get it -- cause Moses had a speech problem... lol that took me too long to get
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What is up with "YOU"?
by Morocco ini've always been curious, why does the new world translation always render the word you in capital letters?
is is a subliminal effort to make a strong connection with the reader as though the writer of the scripture meant "you, the individual reading this"?
in other words, is it an effort to force the scriptures to make a stronger impact?
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hm, interesting -- they need to just get it over with and say "yall"
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What is the deal with Moses? A rant on absurdity in the Bible.
by Morocco inthe other day i was reading about moses and i came to the very popular part of the golden calf.
but now, with a little maturity and freedom from the clutches of witness thought i can see some terrible problems with the bible.
in the beginning of exodus 32 god is talking to moses and sees that the israelites have made a calf out of gold and they are using it as their god.
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The other day I was reading about Moses and I came to the very popular part of the Golden Calf. But now, with a little maturity and freedom from the clutches of Witness thought I can see some terrible problems with the bible. In the beginning of Exodus 32 God is talking to Moses and sees that the Israelites have made a Calf out of gold and they are using it as their God. Note that this golden calf was Aaron's response to the people, it was his idea. So then God says “leave me alone Moses because I'm going to kill these people.” Then Moses talks God down and God says he won't kill everyone. Here is the interesting part. When Moses comes down the mountain he is furious and smashes the tablets, melts the calf and grinds it into a power then makes the people drink it. Moses asks Aaron why he allowed this to happen? Aaron's reply was, “calm down – you know how evil these people are”, which sufficed Moses and God. Here is the kicker, Moses is angry with everyone and calls for anyone who is dedicated to the Lord to step up, and the Levites step up. Then look at what happens in Ex. 32:27 – 29: (27 Then he [Moses] said to them [Levites], "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day." ) There are a bunch of things wrong with his. 1. Aaron was never punished, verse 35 says: “And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made. “ He struck the PEOPLE for what AARON did. So apparently Aaron had no blame. 2. Moses had JUST talked God out of killing everyone not long before coming off the mountain! 3. Why was Moses surprised with anger? Why was he shocked to the point of killing everyone and smashing the commandments? The Lord JUST told him what was happening a few seconds ago. 4. Apparently God doesn't stay true to his word, he just said he wouldn't kill everyone for the golden calf but then he kills everyone. So, in a concluding thought, it seems to me that Moses had complete control over what God said and did. It was almost as if Yahweh and Moses were the same person. Because Moses said to the Levites “kill” they killed. Moses says “the Lord says” and everyone agrees. If Moses says pay me money (Ex 30:11-15) the Israelites pay him money. The whole idea is wrapped up in one sentence said in the midst of the Golden Calf incident, it's in Ex. 32:25: “Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. “ The people were not under control. Moses had pride in his enemies face and it was hurt. To Moses reputation was important and he wanted his enemies to think a certain way of him and his people. It sounds to me like Moses was just another Watchtower. One more person who has abused the idea of God and whored it out for the control and domination of peoples' minds. Moses was playing a game and had scores to settle with other nations, thats why he was so angry when he LOST CONTROL of his people. This is childish, simple, and pathetic and it is found in the Bible. By the way, apparently worshiping Yahweh in the exact way he demands, is far more valuable than “about three thousand” human lives. What selfishness. This is how Moses portrayed God? Sorry for the rant.
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What is up with "YOU"?
by Morocco ini've always been curious, why does the new world translation always render the word you in capital letters?
is is a subliminal effort to make a strong connection with the reader as though the writer of the scripture meant "you, the individual reading this"?
in other words, is it an effort to force the scriptures to make a stronger impact?
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Why don't they render it, "you all" or something? I haven't read a NWT in a while so I'm a little rusty but I don't remember them making other words in captials. Surely there would be more words they would need to render differently, so why isn't half the bible in caps?
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What is up with "YOU"?
by Morocco ini've always been curious, why does the new world translation always render the word you in capital letters?
is is a subliminal effort to make a strong connection with the reader as though the writer of the scripture meant "you, the individual reading this"?
in other words, is it an effort to force the scriptures to make a stronger impact?
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I've always been curious, why does the New World Translation always render the word you in capital letters? Is is a subliminal effort to make a strong connection with the reader as though the writer of the scripture meant "you, the individual reading this"? In other words, is it an effort to force the scriptures to make a stronger impact? Or am I just making stuff up? lol