Isthisit welcome! You are very lucky to have your parents behind you with your journey... always cherish it. I can't remember the last time I heard my parents tell me they love me.
Morocco
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well, we are no longer JW's and look what i got from my father!!!
by isthisit inisthisit .
i cant believe that it has come to this, but your hand has been pushed and you had to act, for this i know that we raised you the right way.
we love you both, and will be in boston with you on your day.
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The UN and the Society---the deciding factor
by The wanderer inthe united nations and the watchtower society
having researched this issue thoroughly it was.
the deciding factor on my leaving the organ-.
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Morocco
Yeah this whole UN thing wouldn't be so bad if the WT hadn't condemned the UN and everyone associated with it. On top of that, on the DPI's website it clearly states that the applicant (wt) must agree with the UN charter... or their goals and purposes to obtain NGO status... isn't that like saying the pledge of allegiance? Oooh the hypocrasy!
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What differs the Society from other religions?
by KW13 inhave the society made mistakes?
yes, without a doubt.
there are failed predictions and with 100% evidence for anyone to look, to see this.
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Morocco
uhhhm.... do other religions actually claim to be appointed by Jesus himself to "rule over all his belongings"? thats a tough pill to swallow i think, even in other religions. I would like to know what the application process was like, did Jesus conduct a good interview with the applicants of the FDS? Seems to me like the GB musta heard a voice from heaven or saw an angel or something... cause you know... otherwise being the "rulers" appointed by Christ would be SELF-ASSUMED. Haughty bastards
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My Own Apostate Pamphlett
by Morocco inokay, here is the very first thing i've written striking back at the watchtower.
in no way do i claim to be a scholar or professional, just a jaded fool.
all watchtower bible and tract society quotes are in boxes and are copyright watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania and can be verified.
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Okay, here is the very first thing I've written striking back at the Watchtower. In no way do I claim to be a scholar or professional, just a jaded fool. Please criticize it, praise it, tear it apart... let me know what you honestly think!
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Apocolypse When?
Watchtower 1972 April 1 p.197
They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them
People today can view the creative works. They have at hand the Bible, but it is little read or understood. So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"
These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? ... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses. ... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record.
Copyright © Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. All rights reserved. (Emphasis Added)
From The Record of the Jehovah's Witnesses:
The Time Is at Hand (SS-2), 1907 ed., p. 101
…The ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced…
The Watchtower Reprints, May 1, 1918, p. 6243
...That the harvest began in 1878, there is ample and convincing proof. The end of the harvest is due in the spring of 1918....
Awake! 1995 June 22 Can You Trust God's Promises?
Bible Students, known since 1931 as Jehovah's Witnesses, also expected that the year 1925 would see the fulfillment of marvelous Bible prophecies. They surmised that at that time the earthly resurrection would begin, bringing back faithful men of old, such as Abraham, David, and Daniel...
Watchtower 1966 October 15 Rejoicing over "God's Sons of Liberty" Spiritual Feast
...It did not take the brothers very long to find the chart beginning on page 31, showing that 6,000 years of man's existence end in 1975. Discussion of 1975 overshadowed about everything else. "The new book compels us to realize that Armageddon is, in fact, very close indeed," said a conventioner. Surely it was one of the outstanding blessings to be carried home!
Copyright © Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. All rights reserved. (Emphasis Added)
1914, 1918, 1925 and 1975 have come and gone without the apocalypse as foretold by the modern day prophet group Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Speculation of this end time is not only scripturally unsound, but the knowledge of it was forbidden even to the people closest to Jesus.
Acts 1:6-7 So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?" He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.”
In the midst of the embarrassment of a failed prediction the Watchtower changed their understanding of the year 1914 changed from being the Apocalypse it once was to being the “invisible” Second Coming of Christ that was supposed to have already happened in 1840, 1872, 1874, and 1878.
Supposedly Christ's heavenly kingdom has, as understood today, been ruling since 1914 and is utilizing the Jehovah's Witnesses as an organizational power to harvest, or separate, the wicked from the good by means of preaching. This preaching work will last a short time and will be carried out by a door-to-door ministry activity. The year 1914 is now the year that marks the date of the beginning of the end for false religion and human governmental power. The year 1914 as the Second Coming of Christ now replaces the previous and numerous dates 1840 through 1878.
Not only has their original prophecy of Armageddon coming in 1914 failed and later changed into something else, but their current explanation of why Christ's Second Coming occurred in 1914 is also a deliberate and intentional misuse of the scriptures. The manipulations of the scriptures to achieve the numerous other dates that were supposed to contain Armageddon are nothing short of magic tricks and biblically wrong. Yet in the light of multiple failed prophecies they continued to provide their followers the math to speculate on an estimated date, without actually saying the date, and still continue to use the idea that Armageddon is just around the corner as scare tactics to stir complacent members and gain new scripturally ignorant ones.
From Jehovah’s Witness 1993 Brochure: Is There a Purpose To Life?
God's Purpose Soon to Be Realized
How Close Are We?
How long a time period would these last days prove to be? Jesus said regarding the era that would experience the "beginning of pangs of distress" from 1914 onward: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." (Matthew 24:8, 34-36) Thus, all the features of the last days must take place within the lifetime of one generation, the generation of 1914. So some people who were alive in 1914 will still be alive when this system comes to its end. That generation of people is now very advanced in years, indicating that there is not much time left before God brings this present system of things to an end.
Copyright © Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. All rights reserved. (Emphasis Added)
According to The Watchtower Armageddon's presence can be measured in years and it is before the generation who saw 1914 dies that Jehovah God will destroy everyone who is not associated with his chosen people who are known throughout the world as Jehovah’s Witnesses. “This generation” Jesus said would experience the signs of the times, arbitrarily applied to 1914, is 92 years old if they were 0 years old in 1914. The average life span is 75 years. The followers were left with the idea that Armageddon was coming within years as they have done so many times before.
Finally, the idea of “this generation” not passing away until the end comes continued until November 1, 1995 when the Watchtower published a magazine that changed this long held teaching the same way they change every teaching, by lying. Now their explanation of “this generation” is that it belongs to some future generation and not to 1914. They have, and provide, no Biblical explanation and no proof that the end is coming soon except their own word... and we have seen how reliable that is.
Watchtower November 1, 1995
...15 Does our more precise viewpoint on “this generation” mean that Armageddon is further away than we had thought? Not at all! Though we at no time have known the “day and hour,” Jehovah God has always known it, and he does not change. (Malachi 3:6) Obviously, the world is sinking further and further toward terminal ruination. The need to keep awake is more critical than it has ever been. Jehovah has revealed to us “the things that must shortly take place,” and we should respond with an absorbing sense of urgency.—Revelation 1:1; 11:18; 16:14, 16.
16 As the time approaches, keep awake, for Jehovah is about to bring calamity on all of Satan’s system! (Jeremiah 25:29-31)...
2 Corinthians 13:5 “Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?
Would You Welcome a Conversation? [email protected]
By Thomas Grey
Biblical Quotes From The New International Version Bible
All Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Quotes are in boxes and are © Copyright Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania and can be verified. They are used under the “Fair Use” principals of journalism. I am not affiliated with Jehovah’s Witnesses or The Watchtower Society -
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My Whole Life Seems Like A Fabrication
by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit ini'm brand new here but have been reading for months.
my sincere thanks to those who have come before me, shown me that i'm not alone, that i'm not nuts and not a loser.
i was raised a hoho, pioneered my best years away, i married a nice brother, my dad was an elder, one or of both my parents have been pioneers for 30 years+, we hosted bethel speakers and gb members in our home, my parents have had numerous circuit ass.
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Morocco
Hey catfish, I may have teared up a little when reading the parts about everything being a lie beause I understand. It cuts me to the bone sometimes to see my other family members, esp. my mother, still clinging to such an empty device. Sometimes I lay awake at night and cry because of the cold-hearted control imposed upon people who don't know any better. To have the ability to turn love into hate, and use it, sickens me. I take comfort in the hope that one day the leaders of this deception will reap the poison they have planted for so many years. I know what its like to not have a real family and when I read accounts like yours it hurts me because our loss is common. I can only speak for myself, but it is times like these where I learn what leaning on God is all about and how, whoever "He" may be, he does become a father to the fatherless. Grey skies will clear up yes? Always cling to hope and love.
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Relatives Who Love Shunning? Here's a Little Trick!
by metatron inone of my now-fading witness relatives thought this one up: you send out a regular e-mail to a long list of all your.
relatives, updating them on the latest family news and attach the latest cute baby or pet photos.
keep it light.
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thats nice, sometimes its easy to forget the little things that make a difference, leaving the org takes not only courage but independance, more so than non-xjws because many of us have family members who anchor us to our conflicted past, sometimes the way we live our life is the best "witness" for Witnesses
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How Did You Choose Your Alias?
by hambeak in.
i' curious how everyone came up with these unique alias names.
my partner gave me mine because my favorite meat is ham.. hambeak
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Morocco
Thanks ham! I've actually been working on getting a poetry book out there along with some other things... *sigh* one day eh?
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How Did You Choose Your Alias?
by hambeak in.
i' curious how everyone came up with these unique alias names.
my partner gave me mine because my favorite meat is ham.. hambeak
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Morocco
mine is actually a character in a poem i wrote, Morocco The Grim
A mighty adventurer from lands afar
Whence no man dares to go
The strongest of warriors if ever there are
Whom no man would want to know
Burley and strong a tower of man
With a shield and an axe at his side
Ragged hair long with a mighty big span
The beasts he has slain are his pride
Seeking adventure he sets on out straight
Taking with him the prayers of mankind
Be it doom or it glory he shall meet his fate
As the adventure he seeks to yet find
The wealth and the fame at the risk of his life
He is willing to take on a whim
He is chancing to find the glory that’s rife
He's who they call, Morocco The Grim
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Leaving the meeting early
by beautifulisfree inwhy is it that when ever you would leave the meetings any earlier then when they were all done...did you feel like everyone was watching you or even sometimes guilty?
sometimes, i would leave at 'halftime' (at the second song) either to go to work or just because i was having trouble dealing with the b.s.
and of course everyone was nosey and would ask my elder dad after the meetings where i went as though i was off to commit some horrible crime.
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Morocco
Did any of you ever hear an elder or some dub giving a talk make the idea that JWs are so happy after the meetings and that other people take notice? I heard someone mention one time that after the meetings people make comments on how happy of a people JWs are and that it was because of all the spiritual food we just ate. Or, could it be that everyone was happy that the two most hypnotic gut wrenching hours of their lives was finally over and they were free?
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Spiritual Resurrection?
by Morocco inhey everybody, i'm still pretty new here but have been lurking about the boards for sometime.
i just had a thought and was wondering what you guys think about it.
it was actually inspired by another thread, but it has to do with the resurrection.
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Morocco
Hey everybody, I'm still pretty new here but have been lurking about the boards for sometime. I just had a thought and was wondering what you guys think about it. It was actually inspired by another thread, but it has to do with the resurrection. It seems to me that when Jesus was talking about giving life to people it was a figurative life... a spiritual life. Take John 5: 24-25 Jesus here said:
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.
How can an alive person be dead yet hear his word and become alive? Unless its talking about a spiritual life given to a physically alive person. Could these dead who “hear the voice” and live be spiritually dead people, not physically dead people? Could all those “in their graves” who will hear his voice and come out be symbolic of the spiritually dead having a spiritual resurrection? To me this scripture looks like it is a spiritual thing and not a physical thing.
I am the furthest thing from a scholar so in no way do I take thoughts like this seriously until I can prove them to myself but it was just something I was toying around with. Lemme know what you think!