Posts by Morocco

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Baptism, spirit and superstition

by thinker in

recently i started researching the bible concerning that most controversial topic: baptism.

i learned from the bible that there are four types of baptism.

there is water baptism, aka "john's baptism", which most of us think of when we hear the word "baptism".

Should we be DF'd for eating trans fats

by Bonnie_Clyde in

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friends

wow....are you part of the gb and found that you have recieved "new light"?

(jk)the donut shops will suffer for sure!

well if the GB doesn't want to be two-faced they would have to DF any witness for eating any fat -- trans or not. Leviticus 3:17 says: " 'This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live: You must not eat any fat or any blood.' " Fat AND blood -- apparently the GB missed this little no eating fat bit -- someone should really bring it to their attention. But, hey, it's not a sin yet -- so eat up fatso!

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Signs of the Times -- New Orleans, Thailand, God, or Accident?

by Morocco in

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friends

i've heard some people say that what happened to new orleans was an act of god a punishment from a higher power as the consequence of their sins.

perhaps the tsunami that happened in thailand those years ago was also an act of god.

we can go on and on about what could and what couldn't be acts of god but we won't.

Morocco

It seems to me that most (resonable) people believe the way I do: it's mother nature not vengeful god. I don't believe these things are punishments. Other people do. Why? Why do people believe these natural disasters are a response from God? I think (imho) because people, in the Old Testament, claimed he was active daily in the lives of men, meting out punishments and prosperity. He no longer does these things today. The question becomes: Is the claim that natural disatsters are from God simply a desperate attempt at solving the enormous absense of his presence in relation to his daily activity recorded in the Old Testament? I'm not asking if this "Jehovah" ever existed, what I'm asking is: Are people trying to cling to the idea that God is still active in peoples' lives, the way he "used" to be, by blaming things like this on Him? Are they striving to answer "where is god?"

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Signs of the Times -- New Orleans, Thailand, God, or Accident?

by Morocco in

jw
friends

i've heard some people say that what happened to new orleans was an act of god a punishment from a higher power as the consequence of their sins.

perhaps the tsunami that happened in thailand those years ago was also an act of god.

we can go on and on about what could and what couldn't be acts of god but we won't.

Morocco

I've heard some people say that what happened to New Orleans was an act of God – a punishment from a higher power as the consequence of their sins. Perhaps the tsunami that happened in Thailand those years ago was also an act of God. We can go on and on about what could and what couldn't be acts of God but we won't. The question is: do you think these things occur because of God's will or not? Why do you believe this?

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The JWs still blind to the implications of the 1995 generation change

by greendawn in

in 1995 the wts as time finally caught up with them, they had to yield to the inevitable and admit that its hitherto interpretation of the so called 1914 last generation was erroneous.

to all intents and purposes the end was indefinitely posrponed it could be centuries away according to the new explanation.

yet the r&f do not seem to realise these implications and are apparently suffering from collective blindness they still believe the end is as near as it was before 1995, just round the corner.

Morocco

sorry :O did I hijack the post? -- if I did then I offer my apologies

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The JWs still blind to the implications of the 1995 generation change

by greendawn in

in 1995 the wts as time finally caught up with them, they had to yield to the inevitable and admit that its hitherto interpretation of the so called 1914 last generation was erroneous.

to all intents and purposes the end was indefinitely posrponed it could be centuries away according to the new explanation.

yet the r&f do not seem to realise these implications and are apparently suffering from collective blindness they still believe the end is as near as it was before 1995, just round the corner.

Morocco

LongHairGal, you said something I was actually going to say, but didn't. They snuck it in. No big announcement. I figured out why. It's because if they made an announcement, there would be a big stink. People will remember stink. If people fuss over a published announcement, and it gets out of control like 1975, then they will have to devote more PRINTED words to calm them down in their new explanation. More printed words means more ways to catch them. To get the job done, quietly, with as few words and articles as possible, is their goal. This is done so that the damage is minimum. It makes me so angry – not for myself but for my friends and family who believe.

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The JWs still blind to the implications of the 1995 generation change

by greendawn in

in 1995 the wts as time finally caught up with them, they had to yield to the inevitable and admit that its hitherto interpretation of the so called 1914 last generation was erroneous.

to all intents and purposes the end was indefinitely posrponed it could be centuries away according to the new explanation.

yet the r&f do not seem to realise these implications and are apparently suffering from collective blindness they still believe the end is as near as it was before 1995, just round the corner.

Morocco

It's kind of sad that, if people don't wake up now, the next generation will be as lost as this one was. The Watchtower library doesn't go back into the 40's, it only goes as far back as the 50's. You really think somewhere at the HQ there aren't copies of the literature we had back in the late 1800's? They don't provide it on purpose – they are slowly phasing it out. In another 60 years, when are are all dead or close to being dead, the new Watchtower Library 2066 won't contain the old version of the “generation”, the pre-1995 version. It will only contain the boundless one – the one that is "some future generation". And then, to those that inquire, they can say, "check the records, we've always claimed that 'this generation' has been an unspecific one'" -- how sad. "Those who can not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" -- George Santayana. No one learns in the Witnesses (esp. the GB); they're too high above reality in their "Watchtower" to see the massacre taking place within their city walls. Until those old, bloated GB fools who are obsessed with micro-managing people's lives die out and are replaced with younger (hopefully different) members, nothing will change. I get the feeling the pompous old schmucks in the GB would rather run the JWs into the ground before they loosen the leash. More than likely the young men who inherit the Kingdom of God as built by Russell and revised by Rutherford will also be handed "Holy Instructions from Jehovah" that will contain information (written of course by the GB members) on exactly how to pilot the ship once they're dead. I think EVERYONE knows about the change in the understanding of "this generation"; deep down everyone knows. Just like they all know we made false predictions. And those that act as though they don't (the Apologetics) are simply buying into the lie with unmatched aggression with a hope that they can figuratively beat the so-called lies out of existence. People are locked in now, as they always have been, and most will die in deception not simply because they won't look – but because sometimes they can't. If my mom were to open her eyes after all she has said and done for the Witnesses... the embarrassment and the mental collapse would send her straight to the loony-bin. Perhaps denial is the evolution of a fail safe – the last resort to salvage a severely damaged mindset. This, of course, is my humble opinion – I know as much as those who are blinded.

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Is the UN a government?

by AuldSoul in

the contention of the wts that the un is a government is complete hogwash.

i don't know why it took so long for me to realize this most basic flaw in their defense strategy.. governing requires continuous sovereign authority over, to control the making and administration of policy within, to exercise a determining influence over, to have decisive influence.. the un is an association of nations.

like nato (which is also not a government).

Morocco

Oh, and so I don't look even worse... when I said "By saying "the UN isn't a government" is a pathetic attempt to find a legal loophole. Too bad they already stuck the knife in their own back." I meant that it's pathetic by the WATCHTOWER saying the UN isn't a government... not by YOU (AuldSoul) saying it is pathetic... Since I misunderstood I didn't want you to think I was insulting you! Doh!

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Is the UN a government?

by AuldSoul in

the contention of the wts that the un is a government is complete hogwash.

i don't know why it took so long for me to realize this most basic flaw in their defense strategy.. governing requires continuous sovereign authority over, to control the making and administration of policy within, to exercise a determining influence over, to have decisive influence.. the un is an association of nations.

like nato (which is also not a government).

Morocco

Whoops... I'll take some pepper with my foot. I'm sorry AuldSoul, I misread. My apologies.

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Is the UN a government?

by AuldSoul in

the contention of the wts that the un is a government is complete hogwash.

i don't know why it took so long for me to realize this most basic flaw in their defense strategy.. governing requires continuous sovereign authority over, to control the making and administration of policy within, to exercise a determining influence over, to have decisive influence.. the un is an association of nations.

like nato (which is also not a government).

Morocco

The funny thing is that it doesn't really matter if it's a "government" or not. The definition doesn't matter at this point because the Watchtower has spoken so ill of the UN that now, no matter WHAT it really is, any association with it is quite condeming. Take this bit of info from the Revelation book... I'm not sure if this has been changed with the new book: Page 246-251 "Acending out of the Abyss" Paragraph 9: "The UN is actually a blasphemous counterfeit of God’s Messianic Kingdom by his Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ—to whose princely rule there will be no end." -- By saying "the UN isn't a government" is a pathetic attempt to find a legal loophole. Too bad they already stuck the knife in their own back.