What I had time to read is excellent, you have done a great job on it!
I have bookmarked the web site and will finish reading it later.
i wanted to alert people to a new article: a critical analysis of the jehovah's witness "knowledge" studies 1-5. if you'd like to read and/or link to this article it is available here:
http://accurateknowledge.org/knowledge.html
while i was living in new york city a few years back, the jehovah's witnesses knocked on my door.
What I had time to read is excellent, you have done a great job on it!
I have bookmarked the web site and will finish reading it later.
i saw danny haszard's video before it was removed.
did anybody besides me choose not to post an opinion to.
the many threads about it, especially those that got a chance to view it?.
Sandi...same question for you, please. (If you did not give your opinion on the other threads, why did you post
your opinion on this one?
I had to leave the computer and by the time I came back here there were so many comments on the thread that my comment would have been redundant in my opinion so I just didn't comment.
There are a lot of threads on this site that I have an opinion on but I don't comment most of the time....I suppose I don't feel like my 2 cents are worth reading on most subjects
i saw danny haszard's video before it was removed.
did anybody besides me choose not to post an opinion to.
the many threads about it, especially those that got a chance to view it?.
I saw the video but I had the sound muted because I didn't want my husband who was sitting next to me at his computer to hear or see it, my reason for that is because it would only reinforce any thought he might have of how evil the "Apostates" are and I know that is not true of 99.9% of ex jw's! I thought it was a despicable thing to do, especially since they were elderly, defenseless men who were taken completely by surprise and assaulted with pepper spray. My husband is disabled and spent quite a few years going door to door with the use of a cane, he did that because he believed in what he was doing and he thought he was doing a service to people...it would have made me furious if that had happened to him, just as it did when I saw it happen to those two men who look like they are probably his age! Sandi
i cannot provide any background info on my dad except to say that he is not an attender anymore, but is not apostate.. years ago, my dad showed me why he thought 1975 was wrong, and he gave me a date like 2011, 2012...back in 2004.. it actually made sense to me back then, and obve's posts reminded me of my dad's calculations..... only my dad's calculations were not based on addition or multiplying of random crazy numbers, .
but actually were logical assumptions based on the scriptures as he understood them.. here is his email to me...it might be lengthy, but it is easy to follow and understand.
(sorry for the large font, it was the font he used in the email.
I think my dad still sees them as god's messengers...though he hasn't gone to a meeting in a long time.
I don't think he will ever go back either, for personal, not doctrinal, reasons.
His reasons for leaving were entirely personal...that is why I dont call him apostate...
He thinks they are good men that are sincere, just imperfect.
OMG...this sounds like you could be talking about my husband!
His reasons for becoming inactive were entirely personal also.
His favorite come back to me is "I know what I believe about the bible and no one will change my mind"
Grammy
my father is planning to sell his home in abbotsford, and my sister has been helping him clean out the library.
dad has quite a few bound volumes he no longer has use for, and was going to donate them to a local university, but i thought they might be worth something on the open market.. i was thinking of listing them on e-bay, but i've never listed anything on there before, and was wondering how difficult it was to sell, as i don't have a lot of time on my hands to monitor the site.. anyways this is what he has........ .
awake.........1948,49,50,52 &(1955 x 2).......1956, 57,58, 59, 61, 62, 63 (1964 x2) 1965, 66,67,68,69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77 78, 79, 80, 1981, (1982 x2) 1983, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93............ index for awake volumes........each year 1930-1985.......3 copies of 1985 index for watchtower voulmes 1930-1961 1961-1965 1966-1970 1971-1975 1976-1980 watchtower volumes.............1950, 51, (1952 x2).........1954, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61 (1962x2)....(1963 x 2)...........1964.....(1965x2).....1966 x2...............1967, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73,74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81 1982 x2.........1983, 84, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, any suggestions?
I had all the bound volumes Watchtower and Awake from 1950 through 1998 and put them in the trash...I didn't think of the fact they would be going into a landfill I just wanted them out of my house.
i knew of a hall that allowed only white shirted speakers on the platform for sunday public talks!
when a visiting speaker did not wear the official white shirt he was either told that he couldn't give the talk or he could change shirts,as the hall kept a variety of sizes, just in case of an emergency!!!
i don't make this up.
The back center row was for disfellowshipped ones.
That was the unwritten rule at my hall also, but this one sister who was disfellowshipped for adultery (with a brother who obeyed by sitting in the back row)refused to sit there and for 2 years she sat in the middle of the second row with her young daughter at every meeting...until she was finally reinstated. I admired her for that!
when you started understanding that the "truth" wasn't all that it was cracked up to be, how long did it take for you to get mentally and/or physically out??
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I began to have serious doubts in 1998 but brushed them aside while 'waiting on Jehovah' and feeling like it was just me being weak, I even talked to the PO (who I had known for 20 years) after book study one night telling him I had doubts, he said "Sandi, do you think you are the only one who ever has doubts? I have them all the time" I stayed in until 2000 then mailed him my disassociation letter by email as well as in snail mail. I left mentally after I found my first so called apostate web site a few months before I disassociated.
how do your minds work people??.
the word 'cult'.
who is comfortable saying they were raised in a 'cult' or were brainwashed temporarily by a 'cult'?.
This is the part I'm curious about...
It appears to me the majority who are comfortable with the word 'cult' were raised in it (myself included), whether that is a factor or not I'd be interested to learn...
I wasn't raised in it I was recruited at the age of 32 by my younger sister....and YES I do feel very comfortable calling it what it is, a mind controlling CULT. Grammy
i was baptized at the "sacred secret" district convention in 1976. funny thing really i don't remember the 1975 issue as i was studing at that time and some how the subject never came up.
i was baptized at the inglewood california dc...
My mother was baptized in 1974. And yes, it was because of the 1975 fevor.
Both my husband and I were baptized in April 1974 at the first circuit assembly we ever attended, we "studied" in the truth book for 6 months before being baptized, we were told we better "get on board before it was to late" I was so afraid of my children being destroyed because I wasn't a JW, I had let them convince me we would all be destroyed in 1975 if we were not JW's
I didn't come to my senses until 2000 when I DA'ed
Grammy
arent we thankful for our assembly halls though these brothers look very happy and content.. .
yeahhh!!!!!!!
i am thankful!!!!!!!!!.
The boys in Brooklyn must be so proud that these faithful Brothers and Sisters have such fine meeting places!
Especially considering how wealthy the "Mother" organization is!