Strange, that sometimes sceptics refer to lack of evidence in roman, jewish and pagan writings and do not believe the ones who claims to be eyewitnesses when things can be verified very easy. It is like in court, to say that eyewitness of murder can't be trusted coz he shows evident bad attitude towards the suspect (why should he be neutral if he saw the event), and that's why we have to try to find evidence in somebody who is neutral towards suspect. Let's ask his gang friends if they confirm the events eyewitness is saying.
The problem I see here is that if enybody of you would see man ressurected you would believe it and witness it if you are asked. But sceptics says BECAUSE they believe, their witness is not reliable. So it seems that only good source of eveidence about Jesus is ones who were not there and who didn't see anything, coz everybody who have seen it claims the same BS!
So and the bottomline is... they can't be trusted coz I don't believe what they say! SO WHAT! You can believe what you want, but you can't refute eyewitness evidence only because you don't like what they are witnessing. And Witnessing SUCH events definetly change your attitude. Either you will scream about it from roofs or you will just try to stay as quiet as possible, and exactly THIS is what we can see... that those who are claimed to murder and try to silence Jesus after his ressurection keeps being silent instead of providing proofs of disciples lieing. Funny is claim, that Acts can't be trusted historically, but still Acts are one of the best sources of First century Palestina evidence and no honorable and serious Historican agree with such sceptics even if the historican himself is atheist. Paul at the cort in front of pagan ruler testifies, that everybody knows what happened, everybody can go out ask and check evidence, and it is obvious that ruler has nothing to say, coz everybody REALLY knows what happenned. It is like try to say, that there were no 9/11 and all of it is fabrication of American propoganda, and we can't rely on eyewitness evidence, coz they show the same attitude to the event.
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No fabrication in Gospels
by Shining One inhttp://www.rzim.org/publications/jttran.php?seqid=52 .
"what cannot be doubted is that many new testament critics have approached the gospels with an utterly unjustified skepticism--a skepticism that wouldn't be considered justified in any other branch of ancient history.
new testament scholar r. t. france declares that "at the level of their literary and historical character we have good reason to treat the gospels as a source of information on the life and teachings of jesus, and thus on the historical origins of christianity.
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Update on the JW aunt melodrama
by osmosis innot sure if she has actually sent that letter to the wts yet, but so far there has not been a response.
i wonder if they will respond at all, after all it's easy to say it got lost in the mail or something, much harder to make such excuses over the phone.
time will tell.
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I am not JW, but just wandering, why do you believe science saying the evolution is true?
Have you investigated their claims and responses from scientests themselves that doubg evolution.
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Pressured
by mjs mouse, ben injw memorial is coming up, i told myself i'm not going this year, having a mother a couple brothers and two sisters still "in" all pressuring me to attend, saying things like "this may be the last memorial b4 the end", you've heard the spiel before.....crap like that is putting a lot a pressure on me this year, wish they would just stop it and worry about their own crappy lives!
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Well I HOPE that this would be the last memorial befor Armageddon comes... :) But in reality I guess it will not be so :(
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Sun Tzu against JW
by Shazard in1. if you know yourself and you know your enemy, you will allways win.
2. if you know yourself and you do not know your enemy, you will sometime loose and sometime win.
3. if you do not know yourself you are in trouble.
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1. If you know yourself and you know your enemy, you will allways win. 2. If you know yourself and you do not know your enemy, you will sometime loose and sometime win. 3. If you do not know yourself you are in trouble.
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What Questions Should I Ask?
by Serene ini am gearing up to have "the big discussion" with my boyfriend about his witness beliefs... and i was wondering what are some good questions to ask him?
at this point, im not bent on "proving him wrong" as i think that is a bad attitude to take into a discussion of this nature, but i do plan on asking him to make sense of some of the more questionable practices of the jws... (dubs?
the questions i have so far are .
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And be carefull. He probably will ask you to study each topic step by step using WT technique. If you subscribe for "bible study", then ask if you can invite some pastor from church to have 2 opinions to compare? Good starting point questions/talk is in this link http://www.freeminds.org/psych/openmind.htm Do not get deep into doctrinal ping-pong. Do not talk about fields you do not know about, ask your friend to let to reasearch the topic by yourself. He probably will warn you to avoid "apostate" sites, but you can respond him, that God is stronger then Devil, so you rely on God and his guidance personally in your research. And actually DO research. Do not talk about meny topics at once. Better to talk about one topic for 15 minutes, and then stop, then loose 5 hours with no real results. Choose your topics carefully, do not agree to discuss topics you are not prepared to talk. It is psihological trick, that human mind accepts new infurmation as truth by default, and every next info about the topic is compared to this first "stamp". So do not let JW friend to create the stamp into your mind. Do your research by yourself alone using i-net or just reading Bible. I guess you can find different topical references of Bible verses/chapters/books in interenet!
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Dogma of eternal punishment....(before I was a Dub)
by upside/down inthe dogma of eternal punishment and hell is one of the things that led me to question my faith.
we live in a temporal world/universe bound by time.
either (as the faithful believe) the world will be made new after the final judgment, or the universe and humanity will cease to exist (entropy and all that).
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upside... you didn't considered the thing that sin is against ehternal God, so the punishment is ethernal. and God is not active agent for "punishing" the wicked, but themselves. soul is created as ethernal substance, so after phisical death soul keeps existing, differece is the state in which soul continues to exist... state of God's presence is paradise, state of being away from God is hell... And the fire burning you is you yourself. Aknowledghing that you were wrong, seeing yourself as you are in reality, understanding that your state is unchangable... pretty hellish state!
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There's something happening here.
by nicolaou inhey watchtower!
can you feel it?
that cold, hard knot in your stomach?
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That would be very nice move from side of real true God if WT would "celebrate" 2014 with empty or close to it Kingdom Halls... and not because of Armageddon but because of truth :)
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Yes, sabath is done away in the form it was told to Israel. Today it the commandement is fullfilled with Jesus Christ. If you ar in Christ you are keeping sabath allready. If you are on your own and you are Jew, you have to keep sabath. If you are not Jew, you are not required to keep sabath.
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There's something happening here.
by nicolaou inhey watchtower!
can you feel it?
that cold, hard knot in your stomach?
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<h1> I feel so good, that not only I feel this change </h1>
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Wow that UN scandal really DOES work wonders
by osmosis ini'm totally amazed.
i gave that un report to my (hardcore jw to the extreme max, but in a nice way) aunt, and she didn't speak of it for several days.
when she said nothing, i knew i'd gotten somewhere.. today she finally spoke up.
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STOP! What report? Where? Can anybody give the link? (can send privately to message board) Which report is this "sivler bullet"?