Skyman, you have no idea about me. You are very wrong. What on earth has all the jealousy got to do with anything? Do you really think you should be sending pornographic emails to those elders? As elders they should not be engaging in this sort of behaviour. By encouraging them, you are stooping to their deceitful level. Skyman, this is NOT about reading playboy or penthouse or even watching Debbie does Dallas, this is about personal integrity and taking resonsibility for our own actions.
Posts by Elise
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72How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?
by free2beme ini was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.
so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.
i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.
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What's the very next event the JW's are waiting for?
by JH in.
i'm just wondering what next event the jw's are waiting for, or do they know?.
i mean, god can't keep them in the dark, can he?
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Elise
Mary, that was brilliant.
Thanks.
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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?
by free2beme ini was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.
so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.
i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.
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Elise
Hi Honesty. No, I'm not a JW at all, but I was born into a family of which some are still JW's.
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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?
by free2beme ini was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.
so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.
i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.
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Elise
Hellrider, it doesn't matter whether a person is raised as a JW or not. To be baptised as an adult is a conscious choice. To readily accept a position of trust and power is a matter of choice. To abuse that trust and power is also a matter of choice. To be flippant about it is a matter of choice. Turning bad choices around and blaming them the Jehovah's Witnesses and their beliefs, is again, a matter of choice.
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What's the very next event the JW's are waiting for?
by JH in.
i'm just wondering what next event the jw's are waiting for, or do they know?.
i mean, god can't keep them in the dark, can he?
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Elise
Maybe the King of the North is Santa and a bunch of rabid reindeers.
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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?
by free2beme ini was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.
so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.
i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.
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Elise
What does it say about me Skyman??? That I believe that we are responsible for our own actions? That I believe that when we put ourselves in a position of trust we should honour that position and if we feel we can't, we should bow out respectfully without dishonouring it and if we do happen to dishonour it, we should never in the future be proud of that? I hope that's what it says about me.
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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?
by free2beme ini was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.
so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.
i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.
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Elise
And I suppose, Auldsoul, it was the Holy Spirit that interpreted all of stillajwexelder's exclamation marks for you.
You can justify his flippancy about being a significant person in a religious organisation by turning it around and blaming the religion as being based on false beliefs, but at the end of the day, stillajwexelder must have known he was not being guided by the Holy Spirit when he accepted the position as elder, just as he knew that, with the position he held, it was not right for him to read porn.
It was his choice - his choice to become a JW, his choice to be an elder, his choice to read porn, his choice to be flippant about it.
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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?
by free2beme ini was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.
so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.
i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.
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Elise
You know what stillajwexelder, that says plenty about you and absolutely nothing about the Jehovah's Witnesses.
And you seem proud of that fact with all your exclamation marks? H.e.l.l.o.
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Did you feel picked on and persecuted?
by Virgogirl inas a dub, did you tend to color every slight and small injustice in your day as persecution?
i just learned today, that my elder at work discovered a small error in his paycheck that payroll made.
he immediately ran to the union, as well as any to co-workers who would listen, and said i must have messed up his pay because i have something personal against him, me being an ex witless, and knowing he's an elder.
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Elise
I left the organization when I was 16 but for most of those years I felt - we as a family felt (I take the liberty of saying that D!) that we were persecuted. I felt it because my parents constantly drummed it into me/us that the teachers hated us for our religious beliefs our school friends were only friends for their own selfish reasons and just about anyone and everyone else did not like us and disliked us even more because our family happened to consist of 2 bi-racially adopted children. For us there were not just religious reasons for people being bigoted towards us but there were also racial reasons too.
OMG, I'm so glad I'm away from it all.
What I've learned since I left is that, in general, people don't give a toss what religion you are. The majority of people in the world just want a peaceful life and they want a happy, healthy family. Before it was mostly paranoia on our behalf. It's so refreshing and lovely not having to worry about it all - to be free of it all.
Good post, thanks!
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Shaking my head, JW's talking about Paradise
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they have no idea how brainwashed and cult-like they appear to be when us "worldly" people read stuff like this.. http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewthread&entryid=10581786&groupid=100816827&adtopicid=27&mytoken=edca818c-e6e4-bec5-e18a6031a7aee4cb51834383
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Elise
Hi Fleaman
Your words strike a chord with me. I've read a few replies to the initial post and I read the comments about the paradise earth on the link provided. My thoughts about the young people talking about the paradise earth are this: Even though, I do not believe in what they say and would never (now) subscribe to that train of thought, I also do not subscribe to (what I think is) the universally held Christian belief that Mary was actually still a virgin after she conceived Jesus (nor much of anything else that the bible proclaims as truth and fact). My point here is that these kids seem happy - happy with their present and happy with what their future holds. They are not talking about how great it is to be stoned or off their faces on some other substance. They are not talking about underage sex, unplanned pregnancies, stealing or anything else that may be destructive.
Who am I to point the finger at them and call them deluded or anything else? They are happy. To me they are just as deluded as every other Christian out there who believes in the bible per se. But that is my belief and you know, I may be wrong, wrong about Mary and Jesus and wrong about a paradise earth. There are many people who think that I'm deluded and in the dark, but I don't believe I am and I don't believe that anyone has the right to point a finger at me and if they do, well everyone's allowed their point of view, but people who are not supportive of me are not not the type of people I want in my inner circle anyway.
I will also not 'be the pot calling the kettle black' by criticizing spelling and grammar, because many of us have bad spelling and grammar indeed, some of us pointing the finger and laughing also have bad spelling and grammar!
I've been visiting this site for a week now and I understand the need for people to get things out of their system. I understand that people are grieving for family, a lifestyle and a loss in a future that they once truly believed in, but one of the stages of grief, the final stage, is acceptance. I truly hope that people who are judgemental themselves of the Jehovah's Witnesses will come to accept the religion as much as they are accepting of every other religion, because every religion has it's flaws and every religion has it's members and ex-members who have been burnt by it. What we need to believe in is the absolute right for each individual to be happy and at peace - for some that may emcompass Jehovah, for others Buddha, for others Allah etc, etc, etc. Lets be accepting and supportive, both when people are enthralled in the religion and when they are trying to break away.
Peace Dude!