Posts by Elise

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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?

by free2beme in

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i was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.

so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.

i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.

Elise

Merry, you seem to have missed the point of what I was saying.

You left the organisation, good on you. I did too, good on me.

If those elders were so concerned about their families, they would be less worried about the effects of being disfellowshiped and more worried about the consequences of them being poor role models to their childen (and the rest of the congregation). They would also be more worried about continuing to keep their families in a religion that is obviously so stifling.

I do not agree with your 'can't do' stance.

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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.

so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.

i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.

Elise

I was asking because I think it's disgusting that a man who is blatantly contravening the teachings of his faith and obviously does not agree with it, would still be a Jehovah's Witness. I don't know how this person's circumstances have changed since he made up his alias which is why I asked. If he is believes in his right to watch porn then he should stand up for his convictions and tell the other Jehovah's Witnesses that he can't live under their rules. It's up to the organisation then whether it makes changes to accommodate the needs of it's members (who, from what I've read in these threads number more than one) or not. Otherwise you are just the same old hypocritical Jehovah's Witnesses that you yourselves moan about.

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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.

so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.

i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.

Elise

The elder that watches porn is a man who is contravening what is a fundamental teaching in his religion - in the bible.

Great and good men stand up for what they believe in. You tell me you are well liked, I'm sure then that all your friends and allies will stand up with you to try and affect changes in the religious organisation that is the Jehovah's Witnesses. The religion only has as much power as the people give it, so go on, you and your elder buddies make changes happen - you have the power. Otherwise you and your porn loving buddies are allowing things to remain as they are.

You were right when you said earlier that I may be surprised about things that go on inside Elders meetings. What I've heard already I'm not surprised about, but I tell you what, I'll be surprised if I ever hear of you and your cronies doing just what I say you should be doing....... I'll watch these posts though just in case I'm wrong.

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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.

so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.

i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.

Elise

stillajwexelder, how can you ask that?

Watch and read all the porn you like - as far as I'm concerned as long as you are not hurting anyone, do whatever you want. However, when you became an elder you put yourself in a position of power and trust over the people. You took on a position of teacher, mentor and advisor. You became a role model to all the other JW's who were not as far up the ministerial ladder as you. Every JW knows that they are not supposed to view pornography and all the members of the congregation were looking up to you as a role model. You knew at the time that pornography was a big no-no so viewing it whilst you were an elder was an abuse of power and position.

Are you still a JW stillajwexelder?

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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.

so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.

i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.

Elise

Well skyman, you need to stop hiding behind your alias and use your real name (or is your self esteem too low for that? ). You need to go back to the Kingdom Hall and stand up when the CO and all the other big wigs are around, and you need to tell these people exactly what it's like in the 'real world of elders'. You need to be a man and stand up for and speak out about your convictions and the hidden convictions of all those elders whom you discuss in your threads. You need to point those elders out, so that they too can be men and stand up for their own convictions. You need to tell the powers that be that we are all human (and yes I use that collectively.....although as a midwife I'm used to looking at a vulva and vagina in a slightly different way). This way, you may all be able to affect the changes within the oranisation that is the Jehovah's Witnesses, that you so believe are necessary.

Oh, by the way, congratulations for all the wondeful things you achieved as an elder. I'm sure you were truly a refreshing and interesting person to have around.

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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.

so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.

i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.

Elise

stillajwexelder, I'm glad that you have used the words of that other poster and clarified that your thread was to prove that the elders are not guided by the Holy Spirit.

However, to me your post was flippant and I felt it was pointing a finger at the elders, without you taking responsibility for the fact that you abused a position of trust and power. I want to clarify that elders are indeed in a position of power, the bible may say that all men are equal in God's eyes, but when an elder has the power to appoint or not appoint a person to the position of elder or ministerial servant or whatever, or to disfellowship someone that they deem an apostate, especially when one considers the trauma that can cause, then elders are very much in a position of power.

As for you skyman,........get help.

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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.

so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.

i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.

Elise

Skyman, you have no idea about me. You are very wrong. What on earth has all the jealousy got to do with anything? Do you really think you should be sending pornographic emails to those elders? As elders they should not be engaging in this sort of behaviour. By encouraging them, you are stooping to their deceitful level. Skyman, this is NOT about reading playboy or penthouse or even watching Debbie does Dallas, this is about personal integrity and taking resonsibility for our own actions.

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What's the very next event the JW's are waiting for?

by JH in

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friends

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i'm just wondering what next event the jw's are waiting for, or do they know?.

i mean, god can't keep them in the dark, can he?

Elise

Mary, that was brilliant.

Thanks.

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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.

so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.

i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.

Elise

Hi Honesty. No, I'm not a JW at all, but I was born into a family of which some are still JW's.

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How many actually watched or owned adult material when they were Witnesses?

by free2beme in

jw
friends

i was at a book study when i was in my teens and went to use the bathroom, and the family who owned the home said to use the one in their bedroom, as someone was already in the other one.

so i did and as i was in there i noticed a magazine on the counter that was only partly covered.

i could not help myself, and looked to see what it was and it was a penthouse.

Elise

Hellrider, it doesn't matter whether a person is raised as a JW or not. To be baptised as an adult is a conscious choice. To readily accept a position of trust and power is a matter of choice. To abuse that trust and power is also a matter of choice. To be flippant about it is a matter of choice. Turning bad choices around and blaming them the Jehovah's Witnesses and their beliefs, is again, a matter of choice.