I might want to add that I was privately reproved and it took me 3 years to get back to normal.
Renee
wow, i'm asking elders for advice, how strange.
anyway if you want to know my history and where i am look at my first 1/2 dozen or so posts, it'll bring you up to speed.
here's where i need advice.
I might want to add that I was privately reproved and it took me 3 years to get back to normal.
Renee
for those cooking a thanksgiving meal tomarrow, what are you cooking?.
my menu as of now is this;.
traditional turkey.
yesterday, i was in wal-mart, taking care of some business at the service desk, while i was there, i thought......i'll just browse a bit and then get home.. before i knew it i was at the check-out with a hotdog griller...!!!!!!
you know it looks kinda like the ones at gas stations, movie theatres, ball parks!!
i barely eat 10 hot dogs a year and thats just when i don't have another choice.. i have never bought anything stupider that i can remember.. forty bucks spent........maybe five bucks back after i keep it five years.......selling it in a gargae sale.. tell us.....do you buy things impulsively and what was your biggest mistake?.
I bought a 104 dollor set of colored pencils Monday. I went into office depot to buy a highlighter and a notebook.
despite the fact that 2 da'd people live here, we have requested notto be called on except by prior arrangement, ie a phone call, and i put a sign up recently that says "religious groups welcome except for jehovahs witnesses", they still rang ourdoorbell this morning.. when i saw who it was, i went to the security door and asked them why they were ringing a da'd persons bell.
this guy said "well.
we wouldn't have knocked your door", then tried to get in past me.
And just imagine this -- I would love for them to come to my door so I could aggrivate them and they won't come. I just bought a new house about 2 miles from a kingdom hall so I'm hoping they will visit now. They keep coming during the freaking day when there's no way anyone is going to be home. I'm sad I didn't get a Knews either. They did leave something in my door before the campaign and my mother in law grabbed it out of my door and threw both of ours away. I've trained her well! LOL
Renee
2 lovely ladies knocked today.
i wasn't offered the new tract, but after they asked me about the state of the world and how i felt about god etc, i asked them in.
(i fell away 10 plus yrs ago and was baptised.
I had a lot of digging around in doctrine to do when I left JWs.
I really feel that bringing up UN and those things will make them feel like you are slandering them and they really won't think. You could have told me all of those things when I was a JW and it wouldn't have made any difference. I even knew lots of the history and thought it didn't matter because at least they had their doctrine right and I was doing what was right even if they weren't directed by Jehovah.
That said, (and I know many will prob disagree with me) doctrine was what got to me. The very first thing that caught my attention and I couldn't let go of it was that 607 b.c. was when Jersalem's distruction happened. It was 587/586 b.c. (see below)
The second thing was this -- make them show you were in revelation that it says that the great crowd is going to be on earth. It says 4 times in different ways that they are going to be in heaven but never says they will be on earth. In heaven (Rev 19:1) before the throne where the 144,000 and angels are also (Rev 7:9, 14:3, 7:11; and in God's Temple -- naos "devine dwelling" according to the Insight book (Rev 11:9). Then it also says that anyone written in the book of life can go in God's Temple Also worth mentioning is that Jesus said that the "other sheep" (who if you remember are the great crowd) and he said he would make the two folds into ONE flock .. not one flock into two folds. I wish I had my quotes from the WatchTower about the temple thing. I found a part where they flat out lied in some old stuff. ... still see below for the date thing.
Historians put this date at 587 BCE. Why? The Bible reports that the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem in his 18th regnal year. VAT 4956 is a cuneiform tablet that provides astronomical information datable to 568 B.C.E. It says that the observations were from Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year. This would correspond to the chronology that places his 18th regnal year in 587/6 B.C.E. I do not know if you are aware but VAT 4956 is not the only cuneiform astronomical tablet that historians use to date the Babylonian king's reigns. The astronomical tablets are reliable as their observances can not be duplicated for some time, sometimes even thousands of years. The tablet has 30 astronomical observances that are so accurately described that modern astronomers have no trouble dating it to 568 BCE, which the tablet in two places states is Nebuchadnezzars 37th year. The observances are of the moon and the five then known planets. Modern astronomers point out that such combinations of astronomical positions would not be duplicated again in thousands of years. There is no way that the observances can have been made 20 years earlier. But this is not the only tablet evidence that historians use to date the period. There is exhaustive evidence to prove that it was 587 BCE but I will stop here. Interestingly also: The WatchTower Society originally said that the fall of Jerusalem happened in 606 BCE. Then when they realized that they had made an error and considering that there is no zero year -- that date would bring them to 1913. Instead of changing it to 1913 they decided Jerusalem must have fallen in 607 BCE!!
well, things have moved on...my jw man has been agonizing over whether he should be seeing me or not?!
if i was a jw it would all be different?!
is that not like saying if i was not "black,american,german,white ect" surely this is racism of some kind?
My ex-husband did the exact same thing you are doing. He even went so far to pretend to be a JW just so I would marry him. He was absolutely miserable. I did come out obvoiusly .. but only after our divorce. We had such a difficult marriage because of the JW crap. Don't do it to yourself. If you feel like you want to work on trying to get him out, that's fine. But DO NOT marry him unless he disassociates himself from them.
i used to be here a real lot.
now i make about 15 posts , if that,.
per day and read a few other threads that interest me.
Hi. My name is Renee and I'm a JWDaholic .. LOL I don't post nearly as much as I read. I'm on more than I sleep every day I think. I do do some occasional work between posts. Renee
i know a lot have already posted in the other thread, but i have had a request to start an offical thread for ideas.
if you have already posted in the other thread don't worry i will put links to both in the pms to people.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/123195/1.ashx.
so anyone that hasn't already posted some ideas, please do so in here !.
I want my name! .. I'm watching for it!! Gift ideas for me: http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/3QDCBSHGAX87P/ ... Or maybe some kind of food that's local to your area that could actually mail well? A cookbook for food local to you?
on my years as a jw i have always had doubts.
i have dismissed these as me being overly critical or some such nonsense.
now i'm on my way out the door, well i"m out the door i'm just working on shutting it right now.
You believe what you want to believe. I wanted truth more than I cared about anything else. My family cares more about being right/staying in their JW comfort zone.
... claims or arguments you don't believe yourself against jw?
for example, being idist (intelligent design) use arguments from evolution against jw.
or something like that?
I made a vow to myself to never again do that. I used to do that as a JW. I would argue in support of the WT when I knew better arguments against them. Renee