LOL w/ Farkel...but at least I was a happy idiot!
onacruse
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Vow of Obedience and Poverty Document (2002)
by cabasilas ini was playing around on internet archive's database of reexamine.org and came across this file:.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060222223514/www.reexamine.org/images/vowofpovertyforbethelites2002.pdf.
was it done for tax purposes?
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Vow of Obedience and Poverty Document (2002)
by cabasilas ini was playing around on internet archive's database of reexamine.org and came across this file:.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060222223514/www.reexamine.org/images/vowofpovertyforbethelites2002.pdf.
was it done for tax purposes?
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onacruse
I signed that Vow of Poverty when I went to Bethel (1969). Though it seemed like a simple matter to me (since I went there with every intention of pouring body and soul into the Cause, with no thought whatsoever of additional financial remuneration beyond the $14 a month stipend), I found out afterwards that it had a lot to do with all the g-jobbing that went on among Bethelites, which wages would be, of course, subject to taxation in and of themselves, and would also jeapordize the WTS's assertion that it was a non-profit organization.
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Outlaw please read
by mouthy inwhen i asked you nicely to get that darn dog outta here ....i didnt think you would..do this to him!!!
boo hoo.
now i feel like a murderer .....................
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onacruse
LOL:
Shish-kakabob dog and penguin...with lots of sweet and sour sauce...and a cold brew...oh my, life doesn't get any better!
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Most Comprehensive Work on JW in Nazi-Germany now in English
by GermanXJW inthe thesis of german historian detlef garbe on jw in the third reich now becomes also available in english.
to me this is still the best in-depth analysis of the jw history in nazi-germany.
despite the watchtower's attempt to exploit him he remained neutral and also made some critical notes at stand firm-exhibitions.
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onacruse
Interesting.
It would appear that this work is rather along the lines of being pro-WTS insofar as the Nazi regime is concerned.
Does it mention the letter from a 30s Yearbook, which is much less condemnatory of the Nazi regime?
Also, thanks for the invite over on that German ex-JW board. It's been fun, especially since my German is so rusty! But, as that famous actor said: "I'll be back!" LOL
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onacruse
The poster, that is!
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The Term- Disfellowshipped -no longer used???
by annalice ini just got an email from a still active witness friend of mine and in it she says that they no longer use the word disfellowshipped.
they announce that so and so is "no longer " one of jehovah''s witnesses.
is this true?
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onacruse
As of a little bit over a year ago (selected excerpts):
*** w06 11/15 pp. 26-30 Always Accept Jehovah’s Discipline ***
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Why
Some Are Disfellowshipped3
God’s servants study the Bible and Christian publications. Jehovah’s standards are discussed at their meetings, assemblies, and conventions. So Christians are in a position to know what Jehovah requires of them. Disfellowshipping takes place only if a member of the congregation unrepentantly engages in gross sin.4
Consider a Scriptural example of disfellowshipping. The congregation in Corinth tolerated "such fornication as [was] not even among the nations, that a wife a certain man [had] of his father." Paul urged the Corinthians to "hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, in order that the spirit may be saved." (1 Corinthians 5:1-5) When disfellowshipped and thus handed over to Satan, the sinner was again part of the Devil’s world. (1 John 5:19) His expulsion removed an evil fleshly element from the congregation and preserved its godly "spirit," or dominant attitude.—2 Timothy 4:22; 1 Corinthians 5:11-13.____________________________________________________________________________
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What is accomplished by disfellowshipping? It keeps Jehovah’s holy name clear of reproach and protects the fine reputation of his people. (1 Peter 1:14-16) Removing an unrepentant wrongdoer from the congregation upholds God’s standards and preserves the congregation’s spiritual cleanness. It may also bring the unrepentant one to his senses.Repentance
Makes a Difference7
Most who sin seriously are truly repentant and are not disfellowshipped from the congregation. Of course, genuine repentance does not necessarily come easily. Consider Israel’s King David, who composed Psalm 32. That song reveals that for a time David did not confess his serious sins, likely involving Bath-sheba. The result was that anguish over his sins depleted his vigor, just as summer’s dry heat saps moisture from a tree. David suffered physically and mentally, but when he ‘confessed his transgressions, Jehovah pardoned him.’ (Psalm 32:3-5) Then David sang: "Happy is the man to whose account Jehovah does not put error." (Psalm 32:1, 2) How wonderful it was to experience God’s mercy!________________________________________________________________________________________
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Repentance is a very important factor in connection with reinstatement into the Christian congregation. A disfellowshipped person is not automatically accepted back into the congregation after a certain amount of time has passed. Before he can be reinstated, his heart condition must undergo a great change. He must come to realize the gravity of his sin and the reproach he brought upon Jehovah and the congregation. The sinner must repent, pray earnestly for forgiveness, and conform to God’s righteous requirements. When requesting reinstatement, he should be able to give evidence that he has repented and is producing "works that befit repentance."—Acts 26:20.Why
Confess Wrongdoing?10
Some who have sinned might reason: ‘If I tell anyone about my sin, I may have to answer embarrassing questions and may be disfellowshipped. But if I keep quiet, that can be avoided and nobody in the congregation will ever know.’ Such thinking fails to take some important factors into account. What are these? -
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JWD scholars, I need a bit of help finding something ...
by AuldSoul indoes anyone know where i can find reprints of the "resolutions" that comprise the "scorpion stings" and the "trumpet blasts" of revelation as explained in the revelation climax book?.
i have lately become very curious about the contents of these resolutions and proclaimations, since the wts currently praises the bible students for publishing and distributing these "scathing denunciations".. i bet they are just filled with false prophecies, too.
my idea is to show the resolutions in question and ask: even if the "trumpet blasts" really are divine judgment messages, would outstandingly bold false predictions reasonably be any part of these divine judgment messages?.
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onacruse
Merry, that is an excellent link!
Auld, a searchable .pdf file of all these WTs is available from www.freeminds.org
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The Gift of Speaking in Tongues?
by Maddie inwith the increase in evangelical churches there seems to be a lot more emphasis on the practise of "speaking in tongues".
i quite like the way these churches conduct services, with live music and great singing.
it is so different to the kh meetings and like fresh air.
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onacruse
XWJ4EVR, thank you for responding to my post. I would like to offer a couple of observations about your response:
It is not the language that the New Testament was written is is what is objective, but the meaning and concepts of the words and terms used in the New Testament that is objective.
But aren't words, with all their linguistic developments and subtle nuances of cultural history and usage, thereby intrinsically subjective?
These words and the concepts that they represent had meaning to the writers and recipients.
They had meaning to those writers, and those recipients, within the framework of their own human experience and knowledge: Not exactly what one could characterize as objective.
This is the objectivity of the word that supersedes any word of knowledge or prophecy (whether uttered in tongues or not).
No word is objective, as it reflects from without, and is interpreted from within.
Even the word that Paul uniquely used, theopneustos (God-breathed, inspired), is only interpretable by reason of it's use outside of the Biblical context. Therefore, it too is subjective, and coupled with non-Christian cultures and religious viewpoints.
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The Gift of Speaking in Tongues?
by Maddie inwith the increase in evangelical churches there seems to be a lot more emphasis on the practise of "speaking in tongues".
i quite like the way these churches conduct services, with live music and great singing.
it is so different to the kh meetings and like fresh air.
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onacruse
XJW4EVR, though you make unwarranted assumptions about my opinion regarding the Bible, nevertheless:
That is why the utterances are subject to the Bible.
So, then, would it be improper for me to anticipate that any "speaking in tongues" would be in Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic? Since you assert:
The reason is that the Bible is objective
it would stand to reason that the objective "language" of the Bible would be the mandatory "language" of inspirational tongues.
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The Gift of Speaking in Tongues?
by Maddie inwith the increase in evangelical churches there seems to be a lot more emphasis on the practise of "speaking in tongues".
i quite like the way these churches conduct services, with live music and great singing.
it is so different to the kh meetings and like fresh air.
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onacruse
So then (and correct me if I'm wrong about this):
A 'secret' language is spoken;
That 'secret' language is translated;
Then that 'secret' translation is revealed, by people with 'secret' powers of revelation.
And, as the definitive test of the validity of these 'secret' revelations and abilities, whatever is spoken and interpreted must conform with the church's pre-approved interpretation of the Bible?