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Posts by D8TA
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35100 Greatest Americans
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ok.....i vote jfk.....does that make me shallow?"reagan?
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SHOULD THE HAITIANS BE ALLOWED TO STAY?
by Mary inas most of you probably know, there were 200 refugees from haiti that made it to us soil earlier today.
however, it seems that these people will most likely be forced to go back to haiti.
i was stunned.
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D8TA
I don't need to research how to legally enter this country D8TA, I'm a LEGAL taxpaying citizen.
With that said, I don't pity you for ignorance...but your flagrant stupidity and lack of education. Woooo! A "legal tax paying citizen", sure exempts your status as moron. I don't even have to argue the rest of the tripe in that paragraph, as you've demonstrated clearly you have a lack of reading comprehension skills. Go back up, and re-read untill you understand the point of: There are people from countries who have NO - NONE - NADDA way of LEGALLY entering this country.
well as a matter of fact they do indeed pose an economic threat.
A thousand pardons! I didn't know you and/or your children pick the multitude of crops in this country for .29 cents and hour! What a FOOL I am! Yep, these (illegal) immigrants are sure impeading on your job security! Oh wait...I'm sorry, your job at McDonalds! A thousand pardons again! I'm sorry, now I realize that your cashier-burger-flipping job is going to be taken away by Joe Q. Haitian. A thousand pardons! ( Please, insert the thousands of other "menial" jobs/work that precious "legal" citizens of this country wont even touch to feed their own families...because it's "beneath" them ).
See? Where the stubborn attitude of "I'm a legal tax paying citizen" vs. "I've researched and studied for YEARS" contest is going? Good.
well as a matter of fact they do indeed pose an economic threat.
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They trample immigration laws in the mud on their way in and us taxpayers foot the bill.
Yes, and the millions spent on people in need, survival, etc...certainly outweighs the BILLIONS spent on:
- Corporate welfare
- Non-legitimate foreign aid
- Politicans cushy lifestyles
- Over budgeted military spending
- Thousands of fleecing research programs.
- Inflated and corrupt domestic contracts with various construction and public service needs
- Inflated and corrupt international contracts with various construction and foreign service needs
- Corporate bail outs
- List goes on and on and on...
Guess that REALLY puts a hamper on your lifestyle. By the way, you catch the Knicks game the other night...and how much did that computer and internet connection cost you again? Enjoy that beer the other day?
We can argue this till we are blue in the face. There will always be the people who will go to any lengths to argue the point of not helping out a fellow human being, even if it doesn't necessarily fit exactly whithin the "rules". There will always be the people who will be in this country, whispering the words: "Mine, mine, mine...not yours...mine."
Bugs you doesn't it? Bugs you that you and many other had to jump thru hoops to get where your at, eh? Bugs you that there may be some people who come here, illegaly, and they get a "helping hand" or a "leg up". Seems unfair doesn't it. Then again, you didn't have to take a risk in coming here did ya? It was already available for you to partake from. The cake was already on the platter for you to feast upon. Bugs you that there are people like me, who are willing to invite a few people thru the back door to have a bite of the meal.
We will always be here, to fight for those who come from places of no-opportunity. With this war, we are winning...the best you can do is complain about it. At least we are having it OUR way. :)
Who's the dickhead here?!
It's evident in your bathroom mirror.
And for my hoops, at least I remember the difficulty to get where I'm at today. I don't mind sharing, or helping those in a position with no options.
At least I'm doing something about it.
What are you doing?
Edited by - D8TA on 31 October 2002 4:11:26
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SHOULD THE HAITIANS BE ALLOWED TO STAY?
by Mary inas most of you probably know, there were 200 refugees from haiti that made it to us soil earlier today.
however, it seems that these people will most likely be forced to go back to haiti.
i was stunned.
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D8TA
I can find displeasure with ANY policy in the U.S. and still stay where ever I please.
Homer Simpson doesn't mean jack shit....try these links that actually PROTECT my reasoning:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html
http://memory.loc.gov/const/bor.html
For those who simply throw out the "proper procedure" and "within the OUR law" argument.
Evidently you arguing from a standpoint of ignorance.
Now please, as I've requested before....SHOW ME HOW PEOPLE FROM HAITI ARE ABLE TO CONTACT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IN ORDER TO REACH OUR SHORE THRU "LEGAL" MEANS! This also entitles you to show the board exactly how Haitians also have to get PERMISSION FROM THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT TO COME HERE!
Oh wait! That's right! The Haitian government has a prohibitions as to their citizens asking to leave! DUH! AS DO MANY OTHER COUNTRIES!
What other "options" do you think people have? Please....list the options of people who are prohibited by their OWN GOVERNMENTS to go thru normal avenues of procedure as to coming to the U.S.
Oh...that's right, you don't understand that other countries don't really have the same "human rights" values as we do in the U.S. You simply think that it's just a matter of inconvenience for people who wish to leave, right? That they can just simply express their displeasure with the murderous and corrupt regimes, and just walk around without reprecussions....such as murder.
That leaves the whole "FLEEING - ESCAPING - RUNNING AWAY" option!
My point is not to change anybody's opinion on this issue...simply provide an argument for those who wish to come to this country.
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Now to Mary's question:
if the drug lords are running the show in Haiti, why the hell doesn't the US government go in, get rid of the drug lords, instill democracy and give these people a chance for a decent life?
Drug lords and politicians...the two supreme powers in which rule most countries of South America. Unfortunately, even after the U.S. aids a country in to a "democratic" system, drug lords always stay in power.
These people just don't simply give up power, and they have a Hydra effect. ( Hydra - the multiple headed monster which Hercules fought, and when he cut off one head another would grow in to place. ) You kill of a one lord, another takes his/her place within a matter of a day. Not only that, these people are armed, amazingly...how these people arm their drug-soldiers with AMERICAN MADE hardware and guns is beyond me, as to their methods of getting their hands on AMERICAN MADE hardware is beyond me. They wont simply walk away from their lucrative enterprises, nor will they negotiate. They fight their own domestic authorities thru para-military means. If the U.S. were to "go in, get rid of the drug lords"...it would mean a pretty hefty military operation. This isn't a "CIA goes in an assassinate a few" solution. The drug lords are armed, and ready for a fight.
Not only that, I don't think many countries would appreciate the fact of a foreign government coming on to their soil, erradicating what a certain country deems as a "domestic" problem. Not to mention, the politicians also have to face the enevitable fact that the drug lords are part of the "power" system of their country.
These drug lords are unlike U.S. mafia or street gangs. These drug lords know how to provide "services" for the people. A country in debt such as Brazil for example: Need a hospital? Government cant build one? Guess who does? Yep, the drug lord. Need medical help, food, pick anything....Government to poor to help? Guess who does? The drug lord. They cater to the population beyond selling their vile poison. They've made a nice little cut in to the system of control.
This whole subject about the political and social relationships that involve the drug lords would take about 3 pages of explanation. I suggest, to anyone who has the motivation to learn about it....do research, read books, scour the internet. But I warn you, what you read may not sit well with you. Not in the way these drug lords deal with their own domestic authorities, but how they deal with our own U.S. authorties. That the U.S. DOES recognize these drug lords as "political entities", and thru open means...negotiate and have what is called a "back door diplomatic process". It's fact. It's truth. It happens.
This subject opens a whole different discussion as to immigration, but is a subject that deals with the many reasons as to WHY people leave.
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SHOULD THE HAITIANS BE ALLOWED TO STAY?
by Mary inas most of you probably know, there were 200 refugees from haiti that made it to us soil earlier today.
however, it seems that these people will most likely be forced to go back to haiti.
i was stunned.
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D8TA
This subject is a primary governing passion of mine. Hard to believe, by the amount of insensitivity I've displayed on the board with my posts, THIS subject I am VERY sensitive with. Other then the 2 weeks I spent with Naeblis, this is what I did: I teach english in Rio de Janeiro as a primary way to earn income. When I'm not teaching, I'm up in the favellas aiding and assisting various volunteer groups to provide food, water, and medical help to those who have no means to afford it. These favellas are nothing more then domestic war grounds for the drug lords. The risk for a "gringo americano" to this, means practically risking my life to even set foot in to such territory. For if I do not show favor for the surrounding territories of the respective drug lords, they become insulted...and there is nothing more then proving a political point as to the murder of a U.S. citizen in their streets. In short, I put my life on the line for the people who are caught in the middle. Each day I enter and become acquainted with a family, I get attached to them. The culture, although oppressed and one of poverty, still holds to a very warm atmosphere and acceptance. These people consider you a part of their family when you are introduced in to their world. Out of the hundreds of people I've come to know, 99% of their dreams are to come to the U.S.A. Perhaps a hand full, have express other desires. But to those who dream, I can tell by their eyes and expression, that THIS is more then a dream....it's a hope. Even the unselfish desire of offering their children a way to attain this, as many have requested that I personally adopt their offspring...knowing they may never see them again. One stand of ignorance I see in the States, is that of: "Why don't THEY do something about it"? In short, THEY have! Countless people have verbally express change or revolution. What happens? Government or drug lords murder the family, lay the bodies in the street as a lesson for those who have opinions of dissent. Just for having an opinion. The facts of life. You can't invite the entire 89% poverty population of Brazil (or any Latin-American country) in to the warm arms of this nation. But I think there is room enough for those few, who actually risk their lives to try to make it here. How many Cubans, Haitians, Columbians, etc. have come across on buckets only to be wiped out by the ocean and elements? More then those who make it to our shores. How many buy passage to be smuggled on boats, only to reach a neighboring Latin American country and are forced in to slavery? More then those who make it to our shores. How many get caught by their own domestic government, who prohibit their leaving, to be tortured and murdered? More then those who make to our shores. Why do they do it? Hope. Hope that there is perhaps some place in this world, where they have a chance of survival. That their family has a chance of survival. That their children...have that chance for survival. The "Send them Backs" For these types of people, some see them as sub-human in this nation. They'd like to rip the proverbial "welcome" mat from beneath their feet and say: "America is good enough for me and my family, but not you or your family". But, they enjoy the fringe benefits in which these people of such 3rd world countries provide when they are stuck there . The lower T.V. prices, cheap gasoline, clothing, and the list goes on. That's when these people are not a problem for Americans who say "send them back". Send them back to the menial hopeless life, so they can help you enjoy your nice S.U.V. and cup of Starbucks coffee. Send them back, so they can help you enjoy your shopping experience at Target and Wal-mart. Send them back, so they can provide the variety of cheap food available at your local Safeway. Send them back so you can get that nice pair of Nikes for your feet. There is room enough for those few who are lucky enough to reach our shores. Those people are entitled to the same type of hope and dreams in which you citizens of the U.S. enjoy everyday. They are entitled to the equal opportunity to pursue their hopes, their dreams. Everybody here, who is not of pure Native American birth...has descended from a family who came to this land with exact same hopes and dreams as the current immigrants...legal or otherwise. Thank You founding fathers of this great nation. Thank YOU for seeing that there be people who believe this land is only entitled for themselves and their families, and that no one else has the right. Thank You, for setting up a system, that even though people didn't go exactly by the "laws and rules"...that they have a chance at their dreams and hopes. Let them stay. . .and welcome to AMERICA.
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SHOULD THE HAITIANS BE ALLOWED TO STAY?
by Mary inas most of you probably know, there were 200 refugees from haiti that made it to us soil earlier today.
however, it seems that these people will most likely be forced to go back to haiti.
i was stunned.
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D8TA
There are a few people on this board I respect, and I don't expect respect from anyone.
I've stated what I've said and stand by my words. But for respect I have for Mulan and her family, I will "settle" down.
There is nothing in this world that will spin me in to a more angry tyraid then this topic. Not even my old life when I was in the WTBTS gets me cookin like this topic.
After spending time in the Favellas of Brazil and seeing how opressed people live, how they are treated like cattle, how they starve, the living conditions in which they live, how they are murdered, and it's NOT a lifestyle CHOICE... how they DREAM of coming to this country...no matter what it takes...and there are those here they say "send them back" or "they are not welcome in the U.S.A."....pisses me off!
You want to see where I'm coming from....go to a Latin American country for a visit. Not your Hotel/Club Med/Resort/Copacabana vacation...I'm talking about IMMERSING yourself in the culture, going to the real down and out poverty areas. Spend a few months with those people. LIVE with those people. Then come back, and see if you say "send them back".
Then again, many of us from the U.S.A. don't truly understand to live in a society of opression. Where the best you can do is sell gum on the street corner to feed your children, or pay for an operation, or try to get ahead...because the rich political elite like to stay in power and control. That soon as someone WHISPERS the words of change in those type of countries, inherit a crap load of problems such as having their entire family murdered ...because they rocked the boat.
All I see here is, a lot of ignorance.
Hope you enjoy sleeping in your nice comfy beds tonight, while watching your Will & Grace episodes, knowing you will be showing up for that "job" tomorrow. Hope you truly appreciate it. Hope you truly enjoy that life goes pretty damn good for you over all.
Then again, one day that may just end. One day, it will be you who will find yourself in the same "boat" ( no pun intended ) as those Haitians, and when you need something....somebody denies it for the same exact arguments you presented here.
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SHOULD THE HAITIANS BE ALLOWED TO STAY?
by Mary inas most of you probably know, there were 200 refugees from haiti that made it to us soil earlier today.
however, it seems that these people will most likely be forced to go back to haiti.
i was stunned.
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D8TA
To the SEND THEM BACKERS,
Oh no...iz da poor wittle brown and black people threatning your fragile tax system? Are they threatning to take your pathetic jobs? Are they running across your backyard ruining your crappy ass unmowed lawn? Are they breaking your traffic laws? Are they going outside the normal immigration system? Poor bastards.
Ever put yourself in a Cuban's shoes? Haitians shoes maybe? Did you see the families & old people jumping off that boat? Think they come here purposely to exploit the system?
Ignorant dickweeds. I deem you all UNWORTHY to even educate your IGNORANT asses on how the immigration system works.
Let's start with:
Bendrr-
If one wants to immigrate to the United States, there are laws that state how it should be done and those laws must be followed. Last time I checked, those laws don't include sneaking in on a boat.
They need to go back home and try again the legal way.
Okay dickhead, please explain the method of how Haitians are to get their Visas via NOT U.S. method, but by there own country? Meaning, there's a 2 way street on this moron. You explain it, please....oh please! EXPLAIN how it works. Bet your ignorant ass doesn't even know, does it. You research it, and come back here and tell everyone how it REALLY works. Tell everybody here why these people ( here is a HINT for you dunce ) FLEE FLEE FLEE their country and come to the U.S.
Now we go to the "They cant even drive" idiots:
This is the best of your argument? Fuck you. Waste of time. This is as far as I will even acknowledge it.
Now we go to the "They are exploiting the system" dorks:
Uh yah. And please, who DOESN'T exploit the system in your silly little capitalist society? I dont give a crap on the moral rights or wrongs of this discussion, or who follows the rules bullshit. So save your breath, or typing fingers. Yep, there are people who come to this country to exploit it....just like you are doing now, in one form or another. Bet if you did some research to see how many LEGITIMATE citizens compared to Cuban/Haitian/etc. immigrants are clogging up the legal system with b.s., your argument goes down the drain there.
Frankly, I trade all of you Send Them Backers for about 30 boat loads of Haitians, 20 boatloads of Cubans, 400 over the boarder running Mexicans, and 75 Brazilians Airplanes.
Why?
You figure it out.
Hope one day your entire family gets sick and are starving....and whether it's within or against the law that you would DO ANYTHING to see they have a better life,food, and medicine. Then when your chance comes, there are those out there who will DENY the services or country you need to go to.
And screw this "we cant have open boarders" arguement. Pathetic losers....terrorists already won their battle with people like you.
ONE WORD THAT DEFINES YOU ALL:
SELFISH!
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Richard Harris Gone, I Ain't Feelin' Too Good.
by Francois in.
richard harris, 72, actor supreme, and singer not so good, has died.. this is my moment of silence and my monument for a great guy.. francois
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D8TA
Crap.
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Some Jacka$$ stole my Car!!!!!
by Crazy151drinker inok folks,.
yesterday was my good ol' birthday!!
and sure enough, some jackass steals my car!!
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D8TA
The Natman said
Hey, D8TA, what kind of music does Crazy151Drinker listen too?
You want to sell some of that stuff?
Dude he has a buncho of great stuff!
Let's see there's:
- Lawernce Welk's Greatest Hits - Featuring the Solo Accordian Artist Franz L. Bowozki
- Bob Dylan Plugged - ( get? get? Because most of his music is UN-plugged? ...quit your groaning, it was a good joke )
- The Merry Muppet Christmas Soundtrack
- The Best of the Rubberband on a Broom, Washtub, and Wooden Spoon Trio
- John Lee Hooker Sings the Christian Blues - Featuring: They Nailed Me On a Cross and I Have No Shoes
- Elmo's Greatest Hits
Look for them all on Ebay...under the account:
I Stole Some Dudes Car, Birthday Cake, and Girlfriend and Now I'm Selling All His Stuff
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Some Jacka$$ stole my Car!!!!!
by Crazy151drinker inok folks,.
yesterday was my good ol' birthday!!
and sure enough, some jackass steals my car!!
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D8TA
Holy Crap! I just found some clothes, cd's and even a guitar in the trunk! Oh wow! And there's some other assorted supplies like: Crayons, Dick and Jane books, a protractor, a ruler...oh oh! You wont believe this! A BRAND NEW pair of shoes!
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Some Jacka$$ stole my Car!!!!!
by Crazy151drinker inok folks,.
yesterday was my good ol' birthday!!
and sure enough, some jackass steals my car!!
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D8TA
And it came with a Birthday Cake!